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Sep 19, 2019 17:02:33   #
jlocke Loc: Austin, TX
 
My grandson's hockey team opened the season last weekend, and we were able to catch the games. He is #6 on the Texas RoadRunners junior hockey team (NA3HL). All the photos were taken with a Nikon D7200 with Nikon 80-200mm f/2.8 D AF ED lens. Shot in Manual mode at F/2.8, 1/500, ISO 4000.

The first photo is my grandson with his "war face" lining up a hit.


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Sep 19, 2019 19:12:32   #
Uaana
 
Nice shots.

Just a quick question. Have you considered jumping up to say 1260 shutter speed to reduce blur?
I know it's indoor so lighting is an issue, but with all the reflected/ambient light from the ice and boards??

Asking because I don't know and am curious.

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Sep 19, 2019 20:11:58   #
jlocke Loc: Austin, TX
 
Uaana wrote:
Nice shots.

Just a quick question. Have you considered jumping up to say 1260 shutter speed to reduce blur?
I know it's indoor so lighting is an issue, but with all the reflected/ambient light from the ice and boards??

Asking because I don't know and am curious.



I've played around a bit with higher shutter speeds, but then I start pushing the ISO into a range where I'm not comfortable with the resulting noise. I may try pushing it a bit more in a couple of weeks when we go to the next game.

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Sep 20, 2019 05:34:45   #
tshift Loc: Overland Park, KS.
 
jlocke wrote:
My grandson's hockey team opened the season last weekend, and we were able to catch the games. He is #6 on the Texas RoadRunners junior hockey team (NA3HL). All the photos were taken with a Nikon D7200 with Nikon 80-200mm f/2.8 D AF ED lens. Shot in Manual mode at F/2.8, 1/500, ISO 4000.

The first photo is my grandson with his "war face" lining up a hit.



These are real nice. Filled frame and good comp. Like Uaana said need more speed. Did you try faster speed but lower ISO and how did it look. I wasn't there but I would think with the white boards and ice there would be plenty of light. Just my thoughts. Thanks post more.

Tom

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Sep 20, 2019 08:53:04   #
Jules Karney Loc: Las Vegas, Nevada
 
jlocke wrote:
My grandson's hockey team opened the season last weekend, and we were able to catch the games. He is #6 on the Texas RoadRunners junior hockey team (NA3HL). All the photos were taken with a Nikon D7200 with Nikon 80-200mm f/2.8 D AF ED lens. Shot in Manual mode at F/2.8, 1/500, ISO 4000.

The first photo is my grandson with his "war face" lining up a hit.





Those darn arenas!! Like members have said I would shoot at 1/800 minimum, go to iso 5000-6400 and shoot tight. No cropping at those iso numbers and the noise issue would be minimal. Nice work.

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Sep 20, 2019 08:59:04   #
tshift Loc: Overland Park, KS.
 
Jules Karney wrote:
Those darn arenas!! Like members have said I would shoot at 1/800 minimum, go to iso 5000-6400 and shoot tight. No cropping at those iso numbers and the noise issue would be minimal. Nice work.



It will be here TODAY!! How would it look do you think at say ISO3000 @ 1/000, is that way to much. I thought all ice rinks were bright?? Thanks

Tom

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Sep 20, 2019 09:36:35   #
Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts
 
tshift wrote:
These are real nice. Filled frame and good comp. Like Uaana said need more speed. Did you try faster speed but lower ISO and how did it look. I wasn't there but I would think with the white boards and ice there would be plenty of light. Just my thoughts. Thanks post more.

Tom


Hockey is a nightmare to shoot. You would think with the white ice and boards there is a lot of light but actually the only thing it does is mess with the exposure. It fools the camera into thinking there is a lot of light when there really isn’t. You actually have to ignore your meter. Unfortunately the best you can do is fix in post when shooting in these rinks.

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Sep 20, 2019 09:45:17   #
Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts
 
jlocke wrote:
My grandson's hockey team opened the season last weekend, and we were able to catch the games. He is #6 on the Texas RoadRunners junior hockey team (NA3HL). All the photos were taken with a Nikon D7200 with Nikon 80-200mm f/2.8 D AF ED lens. Shot in Manual mode at F/2.8, 1/500, ISO 4000.

The first photo is my grandson with his "war face" lining up a hit.


These are good shots. You have the white balence spot on. Try pushing the shutter to at least 800-1000. I shoot Hockey with a D7200 also. You can push the ISO a little more but not much. That said a noisy sharp hockey image is ok too. It kind of adds to the grittiness of the game. Are you shooting RAW? Were these JPG’s straight from the camera?

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Sep 20, 2019 09:52:46   #
Jules Karney Loc: Las Vegas, Nevada
 
jlocke wrote:
My grandson's hockey team opened the season last weekend, and we were able to catch the games. He is #6 on the Texas RoadRunners junior hockey team (NA3HL). All the photos were taken with a Nikon D7200 with Nikon 80-200mm f/2.8 D AF ED lens. Shot in Manual mode at F/2.8, 1/500, ISO 4000.

The first photo is my grandson with his "war face" lining up a hit.


If it was me I would push the iso, shutter speed up to avoid blurry or soft shots. Just me.

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Sep 20, 2019 10:02:41   #
jlocke Loc: Austin, TX
 
Jaackil wrote:
These are good shots. You have the white balence spot on. Try pushing the shutter to at least 800-1000. I shoot Hockey with a D7200 also. You can push the ISO a little more but not much. That said a noisy sharp hockey image is ok too. It kind of adds to the grittiness of the game. Are you shooting RAW? Were these JPG’s straight from the camera?


Thanks for the advice. I'll try going a little faster on the shutter speed for some of the next ones. These were all shot RAW and processed in Lightroom. Most needed from 0.6-1.2 boost on the exposure as it was. After I get the basic processing, I run them through Nik Dfine2 for the noise. Then output the resulting TIF as JPG.

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Sep 20, 2019 10:20:05   #
Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts
 
Jules Karney wrote:
If it was me I would push the iso, shutter speed up to avoid blurry or soft shots. Just me.


Jules agreed, then fix your exposure and white balence in post. There really is no way around that. Hockey is not easy to get right in camera. But some of the blur and softness is because he is shooting through the glass which is dirty and scuffed,you can’t do much about that. Even through the cleanest areas the glass is not optically very good and it is pretty thick. Most junior rinks don’t have shoot holes in the glass. They also have netting now all the way around the top to protect the spectators so shooting from above the glass is out. The only place to shoot good clear shots is from the bench and that isn’t going to be allowed very often. There is no way around the fact Hockey requires a fair amount of post processing to get good images.

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Sep 20, 2019 10:39:04   #
Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts
 
jlocke wrote:
Thanks for the advice. I'll try going a little faster on the shutter speed for some of the next ones. These were all shot RAW and processed in Lightroom. Most needed from 0.6-1.2 boost on the exposure as it was. After I get the basic processing, I run them through Nik Dfine2 for the noise. Then output the resulting TIF as JPG.


Ah so some of that softness is from noise reduction? I am curious because I shoot a lot of hockey. What do they look like without noise reduction? Don’t look at them like a pixel peeping photographer, what does the average person viewing them see? As photographers we tend to get crazy about noise when it doesn’t matter as much as we think it does. Sharp noisy pictures are still better in my opinion than soft pictures with noise reduction. These are really good. Keep experimenting. Shooting hockey is a work in progress. Every rink is different and every game is different. There is no simple formula for shooting hockey. Bottom line is I bet your grandson and his buddies love the pictures, perfect or not. The great thing about the game of hockey is how it connects us to the people we care about the most.

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Sep 20, 2019 10:58:25   #
jlocke Loc: Austin, TX
 
Jaackil wrote:
Ah so some of that softness is from noise reduction? I am curious because I shoot a lot of hockey. What do they look like without noise reduction? Don’t look at them like a pixel peeping photographer, what does the average person viewing them see? As photographers we tend to get crazy about noise when it doesn’t matter as much as we think it does. Sharp noisy pictures are still better in my opinion than soft pictures with noise reduction. These are really good. Keep experimenting. Shooting hockey is a work in progress. Every rink is different and every game is different. There is no simple formula for shooting hockey. Bottom line is I bet your grandson and his buddies love the pictures, perfect or not. The great thing about the game of hockey is how it connects us to the people we care about the most.
Ah so some of that softness is from noise reductio... (show quote)


Here's the last photo without any noise reduction applied. I've also attached the basic Lightroom adjustments made. Another issue is some of the reflections picked up from the glass; you can see some of that across the helmet of the player in the foreground.


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Sep 20, 2019 15:07:18   #
jlocke Loc: Austin, TX
 
Here's the original RAW photo exported as JPG. No crops or processing done. Histogram is also attached.


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Sep 20, 2019 22:26:16   #
david vt Loc: Vermont
 
Won’t comment on all the SS and ISO comments, but I agree with pushing a bit to see if it works. As Jules said, no cropping then

I just have to ask, what is with shot #7 of the ref’s butt?🙃🙃🙃🙃

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