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Aug 21, 2019 09:26:08   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
bellgamin wrote:
Well, I barely lost the bidding for a used Nikkor lens. The most interesting alternative as of now is the *pre-owned* Tamron A14 AF 18-200mm f3.5-6.3 XR Di II LD IF Macro Lens Nikon #910. It's on sale at EBAY by Roberts Camera for $135 (or best offer), free shipping. Roberts rates the condition as "EXCELLENT This item is rated in Excellent condition. That means that this item is between 90-96% of original condition. This item shows little to no cosmetic blemishes and is tested as fully operational."

What do you think? Should I go for the Tamron right now, or save up several months to buy a new Nikkor?
Well, I barely lost the bidding for a used Nikkor ... (show quote)


If you have a use for the lens NOW - get it ! I would do a focus calibration on it at 200mm if you can or at least test it - to make sure you are getting the best IQ out of the lens - later, if not up to your expectations maybe get the Nikkor.
Buying , selling, testing lenses is all part of the "game" .....at least for me .
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Aug 21, 2019 09:30:05   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Gene51 wrote:
I think you'll find that entire class of lenses - the 10X or greater zoom range - to be a mixed bag. There are 18-200, 18-300. 18-400, 16-300. With the exception of the Nikkor 18-200 F3.5-5.6 which actually pretty decent from 18mm to around 150mm, the rest have narrow ranges where the are good, usually at the wider end, and are weakest at the long end. If you are getting the lens with the hopes of shooting birds and wildlife, then you may want to get an 18-135 or an 18-140, which are pretty good throughout the focal length range. Center sharpness is usually good to excellent, and corner/edge sharpness is average to good.
I think you'll find that entire class of lenses - ... (show quote)



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Aug 21, 2019 09:53:58   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
bellgamin wrote:
How much will a non-Pro (VERY "non") notice the difference between f 5.6 (on a Nikkor 18-200mm at full zoom) VERSUS f6.3 (on a Tamron or Sigma 18-200mm at full zoom)? Is the difference "huge", "moderate", or "not that significant except for a Pro"?

Details of lenses forming background for this question...
Tamron A14 AF 18-200mm f3.5-6.3 XR Di II LD IF Macro Lens Nikon #910
OR
Sigma DC 18-200MM 1:32.5-6.3 DC OS HSM Lens for Nikon DSLR
VERSUS
Nikon NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-S VR ED M/A Lens

NOTE: My camera Nikon D3500
How much will a non-Pro (VERY "non") not... (show quote)


The increment in f-stops is not linear but logrithmic, so one f-stop (from 3.6 to 6.3_ is a big difference in the amount of light. As for the actual lenses you mentioned, the Nikon 18 - 200 is the choice. I had one and loved it until I got my Fujis and gave it away.

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Aug 21, 2019 10:21:21   #
Najataagihe
 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-AF-S-DX-Nikkor-55-200mm-F-4-5-6G-ED-VR-II-Lens/293195224997?hash=item4443cc17a5:g:-cEAAOSwiBBdXAys

Looking to save some cash?

Take a look at this lens.

It starts at 55mm, not 18mm, but it is a fantastic little lens for next to nothing ($65).

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Aug 21, 2019 11:10:26   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Let me start by saying that if you had to buy one of those three lenses I would recommend that you go with the lens that was made by the manufacturer for your camera. If money is a problem then you have to make your own decision.
There is no significant changes between 5.6 and 6.3 otherwise.

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Aug 21, 2019 11:10:31   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
I use Tamron lens on my D3100 and D3200 and they are very sharp. They were also considerably le$$ expensive than their Nikon competitors.

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Aug 21, 2019 12:22:57   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
bellgamin wrote:
How much will a non-Pro (VERY "non") notice the difference between f 5.6 (on a Nikkor 18-200mm at full zoom) VERSUS f6.3 (on a Tamron or Sigma 18-200mm at full zoom)? Is the difference "huge", "moderate", or "not that significant except for a Pro"?

Details of lenses forming background for this question...
Tamron A14 AF 18-200mm f3.5-6.3 XR Di II LD IF Macro Lens Nikon #910
OR
Sigma DC 18-200MM 1:32.5-6.3 DC OS HSM Lens for Nikon DSLR
VERSUS
Nikon NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-S VR ED M/A Lens

NOTE: My camera Nikon D3500
How much will a non-Pro (VERY "non") not... (show quote)


There is only one third stop difference between f/6.3 and f/5.6.... so it will be virtually indistinguishable to anyone... pro, amateur or rank beginner.

For a long time f/5.6 was the limit of what would be able to autofocus. Third party lens manufacturers found a way to "fool the camera" into focusing with f/6.3. Today it's fairly common for cameras' AF systems to be able to autofocus f/8 lenses (which largely means an f/5.6 lens with a 1.4X teleconverter).

BTW, most "pros" wouldn't touch an 18-200mm lens. 10X (and more) zooms simply don't have the image quality and general performance a pro would typically require. Most "pros" using an APS-C format camera would be more likely to carry a set of lenses such as 17-55mm and 70-200mm instead (3X or 4X zooms = higher quality images and better overall performance.... plus often feature faster, non-variable apertures such as f/4 or f/2.8).

Okay, sometimes a 10X zoom may be necessary... say you're traveling cross country by bicycle or motorcycle... Or you're shooting from inside a small airplane or otherwise very restricted in what you can carry or ability to change lenses.

You can compare magnified test shots done with each of those lenses here:

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=667&Camera=614&Sample=0&FLI=2&API=0&LensComp=946&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=2&APIComp=0

You can use the pull down menus to compare with other lenses, zoomed to some different focal lengths and at different apertures. You may also be able to change the camera... if given a choice and able to choose the same camera for both, do that. If unable to use same camera for both, try to keep to two cameras with similar resolution for lens comparisons.

To me the Nikkor looks better... Still, compare any of those "convenience" zooms to alternatives such as a 17-55 and 70-200 combo.

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Aug 21, 2019 12:37:32   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
rmalarz wrote:
Basically, when shooting film, an f-stop could make a big difference. Now, with being able to adjust the ISO for a shot or two, that one stop doesn't make as significant a difference.
--Bob


With negative films, a half-stop difference (f5.6 to f/6.3) in exposure is not highly significant...well within the exposure latitude of the film. Transparency film have much less exposure latitude for good exposure, but a half-stop still isn't much.

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Aug 21, 2019 13:04:33   #
sandiegosteve Loc: San Diego, CA
 
The 1/3 stop isn't the whole difference.

The comparison is looking at different AF motors, internal parts and glass. For many lenses, they are sharpest stopped down a bit. I've found that my Nikon glass is pretty good wide open and some of my third party lenses need a full stop to get full sharpness.

From a light perspective, I doubt you will notice a difference. Sharpness? That may depend on the model you get. Some Nikons are softer than others, but generally they are consistent. Third party lenses have a history of having a bigger variation within the same model.

That said, I think if you wallet is happy with it, you will be too.

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Aug 21, 2019 13:22:59   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
sandiegosteve wrote:
The 1/3 stop isn't the whole difference.

The comparison is looking at different AF motors, internal parts and glass. For many lenses, they are sharpest stopped down a bit. I've found that my Nikon glass is pretty good wide open and some of my third party lenses need a full stop to get full sharpness.

From a light perspective, I doubt you will notice a difference. Sharpness? That may depend on the model you get. Some Nikons are softer than others, but generally they are consistent. Third party lenses have a history of having a bigger variation within the same model.

That said, I think if you wallet is happy with it, you will be too.
The 1/3 stop isn't the whole difference. br br Th... (show quote)


The OP was asking specifically about f/stop difference. All other properties are subjective as far as what's "good" for you.

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Aug 21, 2019 13:54:05   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
bellgamin wrote:
Well, I barely lost the bidding for a used Nikkor lens. The most interesting alternative as of now is the *pre-owned* Tamron A14 AF 18-200mm f3.5-6.3 XR Di II LD IF Macro Lens Nikon #910. It's on sale at EBAY by Roberts Camera for $135 (or best offer), free shipping. Roberts rates the condition as "EXCELLENT This item is rated in Excellent condition. That means that this item is between 90-96% of original condition. This item shows little to no cosmetic blemishes and is tested as fully operational."

What do you think? Should I go for the Tamron right now, or save up several months to buy a new Nikkor?
Well, I barely lost the bidding for a used Nikkor ... (show quote)


If you only need to save for several months, then same and get OEM. Tamron is ok, but OEM is better.

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Aug 21, 2019 14:05:11   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
frankraney wrote:
If you only need to save for several months, then same and get OEM. Tamron is ok, but OEM is better.


Can you define "better"?

Lens "quality" to a user is a subjective thing. You can QUANTify a lens's properties and function in a test lab, but you can't QUALify a lens as better for me or anyone else. Test lab specs do not necessarily translate to what you or I SEE in our photographs.

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Aug 21, 2019 15:03:26   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
nadelewitz wrote:
Can you define "better"?

Lens "quality" to a user is a subjective thing. You can QUANTify a lens's properties and function in a test lab, but you can't QUALify a lens as better for me or anyone else. Test lab specs do not necessarily translate to what you or I SEE in our photographs.


You are right, it's subjective, I'm Just speaking from my experience....Tamron for me has not been as sharp as Nikon, on two different cameras.

Other people have had better experience.

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Aug 21, 2019 15:38:02   #
JohnR Loc: The Gates of Hell
 
rmalarz wrote:
To answer that, I'll refer back to information shared during a Nikon seminar. The lens "recipes" are unique to Nikkor lenses. Each element within the lens assembly may or may not contain the exact same recipe for the glass making up that element. Each element is custom-tuned to its place within the assembly for which it's made. The other lens manufacturers don't go to that extent. Thus, Nikkor lenses do a lot better job of focusing, removing aberrations, etc. than their competitors. So, my approach has always been Nikon glass for my Nikon cameras.
--Bob
To answer that, I'll refer back to information sha... (show quote)


I would certainly agree that Nikon professional quality lenses, are probably as you say, custom-tuned however the consumer level 18-200 lenses being considered by bellgamin would not be so well manufactured I suspect. Many many people swear by their Sigma and Tamron lenses.

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Aug 21, 2019 15:51:45   #
bellgamin Loc: Ewa Beach, Hawaii
 
I have learned a LOT from this thread. I am a hog lover... suuu-eeeeeeeeeee! Pig! Pig! Pig!

Based on many of your comments, I have decided (a) to go Nikkor, & (b) back-away a bit from 10X zooms. Nikon makes both 18-135mm & 18-140mm -- I figure going for 1 of those 2.

Please let me have your comments.
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P.S. I wonder why Nikon offers 2 different lenses with such near-identical ranges?

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