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Aug 15, 2019 07:07:55   #
Scruples (a regular here)
 
This is my humble opinion.
It is TRUELY sad that one person can ruin an otherwise idyllic day here. While I too don't want a political Word War, this is our own fault.

Every one thinks the Second Amendment is about the freedom to bear arms. Ya' gotta' read it thru. The original framers of The Constitution intended to allow ordinary citizens the Right to form a militia and protect the new nation from enemies both foreign and domestic. People will pervert the Second Amendent to suit their own purpose. Many stop and say it is my Constitutional Right to bear arms. That is not a complete interpretation of The Second Amendment. Can we convince the American Populace of the correct way to read the Constitution? I doubt change can happen here.

This is not the first time I had read such tragedy in the media. Let me ask all (the Hoggers) what have you done to prevent this from happening again?

When you are walking down the street and you see someone laying on top of a ventilator gate, What do you do? Do you walk away, perhaps looking back, only to go on with your day?

Do you care enough to want to help a "sick or injured" stranger?

Do you take the time to call 911 and let the police know there is someone not well and in need of help?

When you see someone "out of sorts" do you inquire for them to obtain medical help? So there is someone yelling on a street corner by themselves. Do you shake your head in dispair?
Do you look the other way?

Do you help perhaps volunteer in a nearby hospital to help those in need of psychiatric care?

Most people do not do any of these things. Most people are afraid of someone with a psychiatric illness. This is because they do not understand nor wish to learn how to help someone.

People with depression or other mental illnesses are often told by naive, inexperienced or untrained persons to "snap out of it. You'll feel better!"
This is not the case. If they could "snap out of it" they would have done so! Those people who don't understand this plight never have "Gotten the Message."

The people who commit violent acts such as those recently highlighted in the media, need proper medical (psychiatric) attention. And these extreme acts of violence took time to escalate and alert others nearby. It didn't happen overnight.
Did anyone bother to pay attention to the warning signs?

Why isn't such atrocities common and in the media in other countries. Simply this. Other countries provide and care for their ill population. They have better infrastructure, better hospitals and dare I say, better trained medical providers. In other countries, the populace cares about others. I have visited other countries (on vacation and photo opportunities) and noticed the concern people have for the individual. People in other countries are not fearful but assist and seek out to care of someone who is not well. Hospitals are better equipped to care for patients in general. This is because medical care is predominately socialized. That is not a dirty curse word! (What that means is the insurance companies are not subrogating for their stock holders). As for medical practitioners, they receive extensive medical rotations to provide proper care.

What can you do? Where do you fit in this picture? Instead of hand wringing and idle chatter at work, endeavor to make a difference in the lives of others.

If you see someone who is ill, make a telephone call. There are plenty of community outreach centers that are underutilized.

How about volunteering your time in a major outreach center or even a hospital? Do you have enough courage to do so?

But, I'll bet that most will blow off this diatribe and call me a fool. They will blame the system, that there is nothing they can do or its the fault of our government and still support the foolish misinterpretation of the Second Amendment. That is until someone in their family needs care. Then their world stops spinning and they are lost in a sea of bureaucracy
with no where to turn.

If you don't think you can help, you're mistaken. A phone call is all it takes to initiate the process of caring for someone ill. Research it now on Google or any other internet search engine. The next person you make a call on their behalf may just be someone you know or even a family member. At least make a donation of blood or money through work to aid and assist the victims of these tragedies may be beneficial.
I'm sure there are naysayers willing to criticize my diatribe. That's okay. I can handle some criticism. But, I spend a portion of my time working at a major psychiatric hospital.

You can either make a difference or just not care!!

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Aug 15, 2019 07:21:14   #
anotherview
 
The U.S. Supreme court has recently ruled that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution means what it says, that citizens have a constitutional right to own and use guns.

Certain exceptions do and should exist; for example, felons and mentally disturbed individuals surely should not possess guns.

This citizen notes that in reports of gun violence, the text will indicate that prior to a shooting, authorities and others in the community had taken account of the mental disturbance of the shooter, yet nobody had followed the steps to prevent a gun falling into the hands of the shooter, as a matter of public safety. This citizen believes the law should tighten to address this source of gun violence, to mitigate it.
Scruples wrote:
This is my humble opinion.
It is TRUELY sad that one person can ruin an otherwise idyllic day here. While I too don't want a political Word War, this is our own fault.

Every one thinks the Second Amendment is about the freedom to bear arms. Ya' gotta' read it thru. The original framers of The Constitution intended to allow ordinary citizens the Right to form a militia and protect the new nation from enemies both foreign and domestic. People will pervert the Second Amendent to suit their own purpose. Many stop and say it is my Constitutional Right to bear arms. That is not a complete interpretation of The Second Amendment. Can we convince the American Populace of the correct way to read the Constitution? I doubt change can happen here.

This is not the first time I had read such tragedy in the media. Let me ask all (the Hoggers) what have you done to prevent this from happening again?

When you are walking down the street and you see someone laying on top of a ventilator gate, What do you do? Do you walk away, perhaps looking back, only to go on with your day?

Do you care enough to want to help a "sick or injured" stranger?

Do you take the time to call 911 and let the police know there is someone not well and in need of help?

When you see someone "out of sorts" do you inquire for them to obtain medical help? So there is someone yelling on a street corner by themselves. Do you shake your head in dispair?
Do you look the other way?

Do you help perhaps volunteer in a nearby hospital to help those in need of psychiatric care?

Most people do not do any of these things. Most people are afraid of someone with a psychiatric illness. This is because they do not understand nor wish to learn how to help someone.

People with depression or other mental illnesses are often told by naive, inexperienced or untrained persons to "snap out of it. You'll feel better!"
This is not the case. If they could "snap out of it" they would have done so! Those people who don't understand this plight never have "Gotten the Message."

The people who commit violent acts such as those recently highlighted in the media, need proper medical (psychiatric) attention. And these extreme acts of violence took time to escalate and alert others nearby. It didn't happen overnight.
Did anyone bother to pay attention to the warning signs?

Why isn't such atrocities common and in the media in other countries. Simply this. Other countries provide and care for their ill population. They have better infrastructure, better hospitals and dare I say, better trained medical providers. In other countries, the populace cares about others. I have visited other countries (on vacation and photo opportunities) and noticed the concern people have for the individual. People in other countries are not fearful but assist and seek out to care of someone who is not well. Hospitals are better equipped to care for patients in general. This is because medical care is predominately socialized. That is not a dirty curse word! (What that means is the insurance companies are not subrogating for their stock holders). As for medical practitioners, they receive extensive medical rotations to provide proper care.

What can you do? Where do you fit in this picture? Instead of hand wringing and idle chatter at work, endeavor to make a difference in the lives of others.

If you see someone who is ill, make a telephone call. There are plenty of community outreach centers that are underutilized.

How about volunteering your time in a major outreach center or even a hospital? Do you have enough courage to do so?

But, I'll bet that most will blow off this diatribe and call me a fool. They will blame the system, that there is nothing they can do or its the fault of our government and still support the foolish misinterpretation of the Second Amendment. That is until someone in their family needs care. Then their world stops spinning and they are lost in a sea of bureaucracy
with no where to turn.

If you don't think you can help, you're mistaken. A phone call is all it takes to initiate the process of caring for someone ill. Research it now on Google or any other internet search engine. The next person you make a call on their behalf may just be someone you know or even a family member. At least make a donation of blood or money through work to aid and assist the victims of these tragedies may be beneficial.
I'm sure there are naysayers willing to criticize my diatribe. That's okay. I can handle some criticism. But, I spend a portion of my time working at a major psychiatric hospital.

You can either make a difference or just not care!!
This is my humble opinion. br It is TRUELY sad t... (show quote)

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Aug 15, 2019 07:27:22   #
ltatko
 
Scruples, nicely done message!!

Automatic and multiple fire arms should not be on the market. For military only.
But, surely a"black" market will arise.

Len

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Aug 15, 2019 07:29:39   #
jerryc41 (a regular here)
 
On the one hand, it's easy to say that anyone involved in mass shootings is "crazy," yet we don't provide sufficient care for those who really do have mental problems. "We can't afford it."

As for the Second Amendment, no amount of writing - or death - is going to change anyone's mind.

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Aug 15, 2019 07:57:05   #
jaymatt (a regular here)
 
The second amendment is very plain: I have a right to keep my guns.
I’m not sure just how beginning a post by bringing up the second amendment can transition so quickly to the homeless, etc.

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Aug 15, 2019 08:03:32   #
anotherview
 
Some people do close their minds to counter-facts, sound information, and rational thought processes. This way, they can preserve their extreme views.
jerryc41 wrote:
On the one hand, it's easy to say that anyone involved in mass shootings is "crazy," yet we don't provide sufficient care for those who really do have mental problems. "We can't afford it."

As for the Second Amendment, no amount of writing - or death - is going to change anyone's mind.

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Aug 15, 2019 08:13:35   #
2Dragons (a regular here)
 
Yes, I have tried to help people that appear to be in tough circumstances, but I got tired of being told to mind my own f*****g business. Now I help by donating to the Salvation Army, veteran's causes and animal help organizations. I agree that there is no need for assault type weapons be available to the public. If you need an assault weapon to hunt, you'd better get more target practice or glasses. There are still places in the U.S. where people depend on hunting season to stock their freezers for the winter. Guns for them are a necessary tool. Banning guns is not a good idea as these whackos who want to kill people could come up with even more devastating ideas of how to accomplish their goals and end up killing more than if they had a gun. Automobiles can be considered weapons and kill nearly as many people as guns. More people die from fists, feet, etc., than by guns. Knives and baseball bats are right up there, too. Nearly anything solid can be a weapon. Drug overdoses outweigh deaths by guns. I don't see many people, if any, demonstrating for the government to do more about stopping the drug trade. There are a lot of high profile people calling for a ban on guns, but, it is interesting to note that their bodyguards are armed. Hmmmmmmm..............

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Aug 15, 2019 08:16:30   #
sr71
 
Scruples wrote:
This is my humble opinion.
It is TRUELY sad that one person can ruin an otherwise idyllic day here. While I too don't want a political Word War, this is our own fault.

Every one thinks the Second Amendment is about the freedom to bear arms. Ya' gotta' read it thru. The original framers of The Constitution intended to allow ordinary citizens the Right to form a militia and protect the new nation from enemies both foreign and domestic. People will pervert the Second Amendent to suit their own purpose. Many stop and say it is my Constitutional Right to bear arms. That is not a complete interpretation of The Second Amendment. Can we convince the American Populace of the correct way to read the Constitution? I doubt change can happen here.

This is not the first time I had read such tragedy in the media. Let me ask all (the Hoggers) what have you done to prevent this from happening again?

When you are walking down the street and you see someone laying on top of a ventilator gate, What do you do? Do you walk away, perhaps looking back, only to go on with your day?

Do you care enough to want to help a "sick or injured" stranger?

Do you take the time to call 911 and let the police know there is someone not well and in need of help?

When you see someone "out of sorts" do you inquire for them to obtain medical help? So there is someone yelling on a street corner by themselves. Do you shake your head in dispair?
Do you look the other way?

Do you help perhaps volunteer in a nearby hospital to help those in need of psychiatric care?

Most people do not do any of these things. Most people are afraid of someone with a psychiatric illness. This is because they do not understand nor wish to learn how to help someone.

People with depression or other mental illnesses are often told by naive, inexperienced or untrained persons to "snap out of it. You'll feel better!"
This is not the case. If they could "snap out of it" they would have done so! Those people who don't understand this plight never have "Gotten the Message."

The people who commit violent acts such as those recently highlighted in the media, need proper medical (psychiatric) attention. And these extreme acts of violence took time to escalate and alert others nearby. It didn't happen overnight.
Did anyone bother to pay attention to the warning signs?

Why isn't such atrocities common and in the media in other countries. Simply this. Other countries provide and care for their ill population. They have better infrastructure, better hospitals and dare I say, better trained medical providers. In other countries, the populace cares about others. I have visited other countries (on vacation and photo opportunities) and noticed the concern people have for the individual. People in other countries are not fearful but assist and seek out to care of someone who is not well. Hospitals are better equipped to care for patients in general. This is because medical care is predominately socialized. That is not a dirty curse word! (What that means is the insurance companies are not subrogating for their stock holders). As for medical practitioners, they receive extensive medical rotations to provide proper care.

What can you do? Where do you fit in this picture? Instead of hand wringing and idle chatter at work, endeavor to make a difference in the lives of others.

If you see someone who is ill, make a telephone call. There are plenty of community outreach centers that are underutilized.

How about volunteering your time in a major outreach center or even a hospital? Do you have enough courage to do so?

But, I'll bet that most will blow off this diatribe and call me a fool. They will blame the system, that there is nothing they can do or its the fault of our government and still support the foolish misinterpretation of the Second Amendment. That is until someone in their family needs care. Then their world stops spinning and they are lost in a sea of bureaucracy
with no where to turn.

If you don't think you can help, you're mistaken. A phone call is all it takes to initiate the process of caring for someone ill. Research it now on Google or any other internet search engine. The next person you make a call on their behalf may just be someone you know or even a family member. At least make a donation of blood or money through work to aid and assist the victims of these tragedies may be beneficial.
I'm sure there are naysayers willing to criticize my diatribe. That's okay. I can handle some criticism. But, I spend a portion of my time working at a major psychiatric hospital.

You can either make a difference or just not care!!
This is my humble opinion. br It is TRUELY sad t... (show quote)


Yep I can read, oh yes I can, The "RIGHT" of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
One can't form a militia without the access of a weapon. What part of the 2nd does people not understand? The Right or shall NOT be INFRINGED. It's right there in back n white.....

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Aug 15, 2019 08:20:37   #
Boomer Jim
 
Could you be more specific About "other countries"?

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Aug 15, 2019 08:25:08   #
Bison Bud
 
While you are correct that the 2nd amendment provides citizens with the right to form a militia and to bear arms against a threat and/or a corrupt and oppressive government, the basic principal is the right to own and bear firearms. During the latest test of this in the Supreme Court, Justice Scalia wrote that this also means that the citizens should be allowed to have weapons comparable to those of the military, basically so it doesn't become sticks and stones against machine guns and tanks. While this bothers many these days, we have already infringed on this concept and many apparently wish to take this even farther. In response to this I state that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun and there are no exceptions. Gun regulations have proven time and time again that the bad guys don't obey the rules and they only hurts those of us that do obey the rules. For that matter, anyone that truly thinks that we could ever eliminate guns from our society is indeed naive at best. Guns are tools and very old technology that will be around as long as humans exist. Making criminals out of those that refuse to surrender their guns would be useless and most probably the end of this country as we know it! Therefore, we need to move past blaming the guns for the violence we are experiencing. The guns are simply tools, effective ones of course, but still just tools. We need to find out why people find the need to kill innocent people and address those issues rather than take foolish steps to control firearms that will never stand anyway.

I personally blame the media as much as anything for their sensationalistic reporting of violent events. They give these depraved losers their "5 minutes of fame" for the sake of ratings and use these events to push their personal agendas whenever possible. Then there's Hollywood's absurd representation of guns in general and all the violence in movies, on TV, and in video games. Geese, what do we expect when we feed our children a constant diet of this rubbish! For that matter, why are past criminals such as Billy the Kid, Bonnie and Clyde, and about a thousand others considered folk heros. It's simply wrong and we have to change our ways or things are only going to get worse.

You ask what I have done to help. My wife and I regularly volunteer to help the homeless and with other charities and at nursing homes, etc. However, I carry concealed constantly and feel that it is important to do so not only for my safety, but possibly the safety of others. I will always believe that a good guy with a gun is a good thing and there are literally millions of gun owners that have never shot anyone and never will. As the old saying goes, it only takes one apple to spoil the barrel and we need to develop an whole different attitude about guns. Believe me, guns are here to stay whether legal or illegal, they will be part of our lives and we need to focus on the violence rather than the tools if we are ever to manage this issue. Good luck and good shooting to all.

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Aug 15, 2019 08:28:07   #
Stephan G (a regular here)
 
The Second Amendment has been called the Julius Caesar Amendment, hearkening to that day that Gaius Julius Caesar declared himself "Emperor". At the heart of this is the basis for individual liberty. And why it needs to be protected.

Not to *abrogate* the right to bear arms is so we, the people, can defend ourselves against a rogue government.

As stated in a Google search:

--The Preamble states that an overriding purpose of the U.S. Constitution is to “promote the general welfare,” indicating that issues such as poverty, housing, food and other economic and social welfare issues facing the citizenry were of central concern to the framers.--

Too many declare that the Preamble to be just a "Prologue" in order to diminish the responsibility of government to the people in regards to general health. The Preamble is the actual authorization for our US government.

We, as individuals, are still responsible for our own health and safety. We cannot surrender these responsibilities. This means that we have to take steps to remain active with each other to help and to keep our government working for the Common Good.

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Aug 15, 2019 08:32:13   #
tommy2 (a regular here)
 
ltatko wrote:
...For military only...

I can attest to the fact that if everyone was able to personally relate to the horrible wounds and deaths guns can cause they would agree with 1tatko's statement above. (Was exposed, as were other's in my age bracket here on UHH, to more than my share while involved in the Vietnam conflict during the sixties.)

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Aug 15, 2019 08:34:58   #
jbk224
 
Interesting. Everybody commenting here is right in one way or another. The conversation about the 2nd Amendment is completely separate from caring for our neighbors and reaching out to help others in distress. 'Be part of the solution' is a common mantra that we hear and know, but don't actually follow though. We can as individuals do our part, but it will never be enough (doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything!). It is up to the people we elect; local, state, and federal; to do what needs to be done. Unfortunately, this is not happening. Mental health issues show no bias or demographic-- anyone can be affected. Enviornmental bias is prevalent and not addressed well at all. We need representation that will actually do something proactive and positive to raise up every American to achieve their full potential. This may be counterproductive to some politician's personal interests; but is best for our future.

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Aug 15, 2019 08:56:00   #
DirtFarmer (a regular here)
 
I believe there is one thing missing from the second amendment. That is the training that should go with gun ownership.
One good guy with a gun will not be worth anything if the guy can't hit a barn door with his gun. That case will be a public safety issue. In fact there are a lot more gun accidents out there than there would be with proper training.

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Aug 15, 2019 09:11:24   #
Stephan G (a regular here)
 
tommy2 wrote:
I can attest to the fact that if everyone was able to personally relate to the horrible wounds and deaths guns can cause they would agree with 1tatko's statement above. (Was exposed, as were other's in my age bracket here on UHH, to more than my share while involved in the Vietnam conflict during the sixties.)


And the safest place is a 4 by 8 cell? Let's not forget that there is a brain and finger behind the weapon. A vehicle is just as a devastating weapon under such hands.

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