Another company goes after gray market products. Good for them (Page 4): I questioned the OP's premise right away first. He/she has not responded to my question, nor has any other post...

nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY

jbk224 wrote:

If actually read the ramble, you would know it's about the response to the OP. And most of the responses are the same re-hashed common woe me as a victim of market and price manipulation and companies make too much money as it is.
If you agree with the OP, then this is not 'aimed' at you.

I questioned the OP's premise right away first. He/she has not responded to my question, nor has any other post answered for him.

One more time, then I'm done here: I asked the OP where he/she gets the idea that buying gray market products has any effect on American worker jobs? His/her original statement, that got this ball rolling, makes no sense.

One more instance on UHH where an OP drops out of sight after starting a discussion, leaving us to wonder if what we are saying is being heard.

Glenn Harve

rmorrison1116 wrote:

Marketing and availability plus KMZ and Zenit cameras are a little behind the times compared to the Japanese companies.
Why don't I buy and use Russian photography products? Because I don't have to. What else is there to figure out and what does any of that have to do with grey market and mandatory purchasing of warranties?!

Good grief, does anyone know anything about biz basics anymore....seems not from half the posts here. Bottom line, if you dont like a companies policy, dont buy their product. Whining in here does nothing but expose lack of real world experience. The real world is testimony to that. It is the way it is because thats what works and sustains....or dies. If you can do better, the only one stopping you is you.

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

Zeke4351 wrote:

All grey market sellers are not the same. Some advertise the lens being the import model and sell it like 200.00 under normal price. When the lens comes to you it is a US model with all warranty and all paperwork that comes as a US model. Sigma and others get the same money for their products no matter who buys them. You have to know where to buy and read between the lines on their advertising.

Unless you are buying the Sigma lens in Japan, they are all import models. I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. You are correct as far as Sigma gets the same money no matter who buys them, that is not the issue. The issue is, these companies, like Sigma Corporation, have subsidiary companies, like Sigma USA, that act as importer and distributor and these subsidiary companies also require the purchaser to buy a warranty. If you buy a Sigma lens from somewhere other than Sigma USA and you reside in the USA, you still get a warranty, it's just no good in the USA so, if you need warranty work you need to ship the lens back to wherever services them where it was purchased or ship it back to Japan, or, pay an additional fee to Sigma USA, which ironically happens to be the same as they charge for the USA warranty.
Buying grey market doesn't hurt Sigma Corporation since they get paid regardless. It hurts the subsidiary company because you didn't buy a warranty that odds are you will never use.

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

Glenn Harve wrote:

Good grief, does anyone know anything about biz basics anymore....seems not from half the posts here. Bottom line, if you dont like a companies policy, dont buy their product. Whining in here does nothing but expose lack of real world experience. The real world is testimony to that. It is the way it is because thats what works and sustains....or dies. If you can do better, the only one stopping you is you.

OMG, doesn't anyone know anything about conducting and participating in a meaningful conversation anymore. Not sure what the .... represents, maybe a long pause; anyway, seems not, blah, blah, blah...
Bottom line; I don't really care about Sigma's grey market policy. I own four Sigma lenses, a 150-600 Sport with Canon mount, a 150-600 Contemporary with Nikon mount, a 70-200 for Nikon and I don't remember what the other one is but I know it's a Canon mount. The only one whining here is you; lack of real world experience; what does that even mean?!
Apparently no one is stopping me because as I said, I already own Sigma products. Oh, by the way, The 150-600 Sport was grey market and it turns out I didn't need the USA warranty. I gambled and won that time. The Contemporary came with a USA warranty. The other two were used so no warranty anyway. All four lenses work just fine so it looks like I did do better, both in choosing lenses and participating in the conversation.
Some people just don't get social media. Must have been another grumpy old man...

Dossile

Sigma, and all other photography gear manufacturer, have a contractual agreement that all of their products will flow through the US affiliate. Sigma is in violation of the contract if it allows cameras to be sold to a foreign vendor who then imports the products into the US. If I was paying for advertising, promotions, licensing fees, tariffs, duties and a business infrastructure to sell Sigma products wholesale, and Sigma did nothing in regards to grey market sells, I would strike back at Sigma.

Glenn Harve

rmorrison1116 wrote:

OMG, doesn't anyone know anything about conducting... (show quote)

Yah, and your bloviating was meaningful....to you. Quite the "conversationalist". ...Out

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

Glenn Harve wrote:

Yah, and your bloviating was meaningful....to you. Quite the "conversationalist". ...Out

Yah? Who says, yah?! If your comback is an example of your mental prowess then the empty attempt you have made to deviously insult me has fallen short. As Buggs Bunny would say, ehhhh, what a maroon.

bcplimpton Loc: Southern New Jersey

Did anyone notice that this policy has been in effect since January 1, 2017! Yes that is 2 1/2 years ago. Much ado about nothing!

repleo Loc: Boston

rmorrison1116 wrote:

We agree on part of the issue but, what may these ... (show quote)

What Sigma was saying was that they cannot vouch for products not purchased from authorized dealers. The lens may be used or demo, the accessories or packaging may be missing or the lens may have been mishandled. I totally agree with your disdain of Nikon USA's policy of refusing to service gray market policy. It is purely middleman turf protection. Nikon USA is not a Nikon company. It is merely some sort of affiliate. Nikon USA does not profit from the sale of a gray market Nikon. Nikon does, but not Nikon USA.

jbk224 Loc: Long Island, NY

Nikon USA is incorporated in the United States, but is wholly owned by Nikon Inc. Japan. It's sole purpose is to market, distribute,and service Nikon brand products. Therefore it is not relevant who profits from what. Everything goes to the bottom line of Nikon Inc.

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

repleo wrote:

What Sigma was saying was that they cannot vouch f... (show quote)

Nikon USA is most definitely a Nikon Corporation subsidiary. They are Nikon Corporations authorized import, distribution and service organization in the USA. No, Nikon USA does not profit from the sale of merchandise they did not import. But, they can profit from the sale of parts and service on merchandise they did not import.
I personally don't believe it is that big an issue. The grey market is small potatoes compared to the business Nikon USA does. All the major camera retailers and reputable camera stores acquire their merchandise from Nikon USA.
As for Nikon's so called grey market service policy, it has recently been changed and Nikon service centers will repair Nikon products not imported by Nikon USA. They won't honor the warranty on merchandise not imported by Nikon USA, for the most part, but will do repair work, for an additional fee.

repleo Loc: Boston

rmorrison1116 wrote:

...Nikon USA is most definitely a Nikon Corporation subsidiary....

So where does Nikon USA fit in Nikon Corporation's corporate structure:

https://www.nikon.com/about/corporate/profile/pdf/20190701_en.pdf

or here

https://www.nikon.com/about/corporate/profile/data/pdf/nikon2018e_4.pdf

bcplimpton Loc: Southern New Jersey

Copied from the 2018 CSR report issued by the NIKON CORPORATION

Corporate Information
Name NIKON CORPORATION
Head Office Shinagawa Intercity Tower C, 2-15-3, Konan,
Minato-ku, Tokyo 108-6290, Japan
Tel.: +81-3-6433-3600
Representative Kazuo Ushida, President and Representative
Director
Established July 25, 1917
Capital ¥65,476 million
(as of March 31, 2018)
Revenue Consolidated: ¥717,078 million
( for the year ended March 31, 2018, International
Financial Reporting Standards (IFRS))
Employees Consolidated: 21,029
(as of March 31, 2018)
* Permanent and non-regular employees of the Nikon Group, director of
Group companies.
Non-consolidated: 4,444
(as of March 31, 2018)
* Permanent and non-regular employees, not including Nikon's
employees temporarily assigned to other companies, etc.
Number of Group Companies by Region (Consolidated)
(as of March 31, 2018)
Japan (excluding Nikon): 18 companies
Europe: 24 companies
Asia/Oceania: 25 companies
Americas: 14 companies

Pick any of the 14 Companies in the Americas they are all owned by NIKON CORPORATION

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

repleo wrote:

So where does Nikon USA fit in Nikon Corporation's corporate structure:

https://www.nikon.com/about/corporate/profile/pdf/20190701_en.pdf

or here

https://www.nikon.com/about/corporate/profile/data/pdf/nikon2018e_4.pdf

Are you vision impaired?
About a third of the way down on the page from the first link are the words Nikon Americas. Go to the Nikon Americas website and it takes you to NIKON USA.
NIKON Corporations parent company is The Mitsubishi Group. Nikon USA'S parent company is Nikon Corporation
And what would Buggs Bunny say? Ehhhhh, what a maroon!

repleo Loc: Boston

bcplimpton wrote:

Copied from the 2018 CSR report issued by the NIKO... (show quote)

Could you please provide the link for that report. My Google searches for Nikon Corporation 2018 CSR Report are not bringing up anything that shows the information you copied.
Thanks