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Aug 9, 2019 14:58:41   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Canon News web site has reported a recent patent filing for what appears to be an EOS R-series (mirrorless) camera with an Eye Control system. (Not to be confused with Eye Focus, found on some cameras today, where the AF system detects the subject's eye and focuses on that automatically.)

For those who don't know, Eye Control was a fairly short-lived feature that found it's way onto three Canon 35mm film SLRs back in the 1990s: Canon A2E (EOS 5), Elan 7E (EOS 30) and EOS-3.

Eye Control was supposed to track the photographer's eye movement and activate the AF point wherever they were looking. It was rather simple on the A2E with it's 5-point AF system and not much more sophisticated on the Elan 7's 7-point system. But there were high hopes for it with the 45-point AF system of the EOS-3 (that same 45-point system, without Eye Control, was used in EOS 1V SLR as well as a couple generations of EOS 1D- and 1Ds-series DSLRs).

Some people really liked Eye Control.... or at least were infatuated with the idea of it. Personally I used a couple EOS-3 and an Elan 7E with it, and it never seemed to work very well for me. But I wear eyeglasses and that might have been part of the problem. Another thing was that I soon learned I had a tendency to look all around the image area, not just at my subjects.... that made Eye Control a bit crazy, especially on the EOS-3s, as it tried to track my eye.

Some people apparently have much better results with it and there was a lot of moaning and groaning when Canon didn't continue to offer Eye Control on subsequent cameras (mostly DSLRs... I think they only ever intro'd one or two film DSLRs after the 1V). But I suspect some of the whiners never actually used it, just thought it sounded like a really cool feature.

Maybe it's been redesigned to work better this time, if Canon actually follows through from the patent and produces a camera with Eye Control. No doubt the more powerful processors in cameras today will help it, too.

We'll see!

Edit: There are articles posted about this online. Do a search for "Canon Eye Control" online at Digital Camera World and elsewhere. I'd post a link for your convenience, but for reasons that have never been entirely clear to me, if I did that UHH policy would cause this post to be banished to some obscure part of the forum.

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Aug 9, 2019 15:04:44   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Canon News web site has reported a recent patent filing for what appears to be an EOS R-series (mirrorless) camera with an Eye Control system. (Not to be confused with Eye Focus, found on some cameras today, where the AF system detects the subject's eye and focuses on that automatically.)

For those who don't know, Eye Control was a fairly short-lived feature that found it's way onto three Canon 35mm film SLRs back in the 1990s: Canon A2E (EOS 5), Elan 7E (EOS 30) and EOS-3.

Eye Control was supposed to track the photographer's eye movement and activate the AF point wherever they were looking. It was rather simple on the A2E with it's 5-point AF system and not much more sophisticated on the Elan 7's 7-point system. But there were high hopes for it with the 45-point AF system of the EOS-3 (that same 45-point system, without Eye Control, was used in EOS 1V SLR as well as a couple generations of EOS 1D- and 1Ds-series DSLRs).

Some people really liked Eye Control.... or at least were infatuated with the idea of it. Personally I used a couple EOS-3 and an Elan 7E with it, and it never seemed to work very well for me. But I wear eyeglasses and that might have been part of the problem. Another thing was that I soon learned I had a tendency to look all around the image area, not just at my subjects.... that made Eye Control a bit crazy, especially on the EOS-3s, as it tried to track my eye.

Some people apparently have much better results with it and there was a lot of moaning and groaning when Canon didn't continue to offer Eye Control on subsequent cameras (mostly DSLRs... I think they only ever intro'd one or two film DSLRs after the 1V). But I suspect some of the whiners never actually used it, just thought it sounded like a really cool feature.

Maybe it's been redesigned to work better this time, if Canon actually follows through from the patent and produces a camera with Eye Control. No doubt the more powerful processors in cameras today will help it, too.

We'll see!
Canon News web site has reported a recent patent f... (show quote)


This will be most excellent!!!!!
Even Ken Rockwell said using it on the EOS 3 was like magic.
I am sure they have been substantially upgrading it from magic now. They also had it on the EOS Elan and A2 cameras with great success.
This is good news, more innovation besides only sensors ans frame rates.

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Aug 9, 2019 15:11:07   #
bluezzzzz Loc: Stamping Ground, KY
 
amfoto1 wrote:

Eye Control was supposed to track the photographer's eye movement and activate the AF point wherever they were looking.


In the original version, was there any indication in the viewfinder of where the camera was actually focussing?

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Aug 9, 2019 15:13:10   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
This will be most excellent!!!!!
Even Ken Rockwell said using it on the EOS 3 was like magic.
I am sure they have been substantially upgrading it from magic now. They also had it on the EOS Elan and A2 cameras with great success.
This is good news...


We'll see!

I knew some folks would find it welcome news.

Personally I saw my "keeper" rate increase around 50% when I stopped trying to use Eye Control.

But I know some other folks really liked it and felt it worked well for them (I guess Ken Rockwell was one). Canon claimed it was "twice as fast" as trying to make AF point selection with the joystick.

The one thing I miss from my EOS-3s was their active AF point linked spot metering. (Evaluative metering comes close, though.)

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Aug 9, 2019 15:14:58   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
bluezzzzz wrote:
In the original version, was there any indication in the viewfinder of where the camera was actually focussing?


Yes, the active AF point... as selected by Eye Control... would light up red.

I can only imagine that it would be interesting combining with the EOS-R's AF capabilities. That's already supposed to be a pretty amazing AF system, supposedly the fastest AF ever, with 5666 AF points and able to focus as low as -5 or -6EV light levels.

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Aug 9, 2019 15:45:28   #
ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca
 
I love my EOS 3 for that reason -- That is "if" it works with your eyes & if it does you then need to get use to it --- After that it's really a nice feature

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Aug 9, 2019 17:36:59   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Canon News web site has reported a recent patent filing for what appears to be an EOS R-series (mirrorless) camera with an Eye Control system. (Not to be confused with Eye Focus, found on some cameras today, where the AF system detects the subject's eye and focuses on qthat automatically.)

For those who don't know, Eye Control was a fairly short-lived feature that found it's way onto three Canon 35mm film SLRs back in the 1990s: Canon A2E (EOS 5), Elan 7E (EOS 30) and EOS-3.

Eye Control was supposed to track the photographer's eye movement and activate the AF point wherever they were looking. It was rather simple on the A2E with it's 5-point AF system and not much more sophisticated on the Elan 7's 7-point system. But there were high hopes for it with the 45-point AF system of the EOS-3 (that same 45-point system, without Eye Control, was used in EOS 1V SLR as well as a couple generations of EOS 1D- and 1Ds-series DSLRs).

Some people really liked Eye Control.... or at least were infatuated with the idea of it. Personally I used a couple EOS-3 and an Elan 7E with it, and it never seemed to work very well for me. But I wear eyeglasses and that might have been part of the problem. Another thing was that I soon learned I had a tendency to look all around the image area, not just at my subjects.... that made Eye Control a bit crazy, especially on the EOS-3s, as it tried to track my eye.

Some people apparently have much better results with it and there was a lot of moaning and groaning when Canon didn't continue to offer Eye Control on subsequent cameras (mostly DSLRs... I think they only ever intro'd one or two film DSLRs after the 1V). But I suspect some of the whiners never actually used it, just thought it sounded like a really cool feature.

Maybe it's been redesigned to work better this time, if Canon actually follows through from the patent and produces a camera with Eye Control. No doubt the more powerful processors in cameras today will help it, too.

We'll see!

Edit: There are articles posted about this online. Do a search for "Canon Eye Control" online at Digital Camera World and elsewhere. I'd post a link for your convenience, but for reasons that have never been entirely clear to me, if I did that UHH policy would cause this post to be banished to some obscure part of the forum.
Canon News web site has reported a recent patent f... (show quote)


This is probably Canon's cheaper answer to Olympus's AI. I still have a Canon A2E and the eye control was not that impressive and I did not find it to be as robust as I had hoped it would be. Now the Olympus AI is everything I hoped it would be and a lot more. The eye control, although a step in the right direction and probably better than before, will still be fooled by a wire fence between the camera and the subject. The Olympus AI will not be fooled by the fence. It will ignore the fence, identify the subject, and focus on it without input from the photographer. The eye control will help fill the gap until AI becomes common. Hopefully, Canon and others are working on their AI so everyone can have AI.

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Aug 9, 2019 18:44:19   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Canon News web site has reported a recent patent filing for what appears to be an EOS R-series (mirrorless) camera with an Eye Control system. (Not to be confused with Eye Focus, found on some cameras today, where the AF system detects the subject's eye and focuses on that automatically.)

For those who don't know, Eye Control was a fairly short-lived feature that found it's way onto three Canon 35mm film SLRs back in the 1990s: Canon A2E (EOS 5), Elan 7E (EOS 30) and EOS-3.

Eye Control was supposed to track the photographer's eye movement and activate the AF point wherever they were looking. It was rather simple on the A2E with it's 5-point AF system and not much more sophisticated on the Elan 7's 7-point system. But there were high hopes for it with the 45-point AF system of the EOS-3 (that same 45-point system, without Eye Control, was used in EOS 1V SLR as well as a couple generations of EOS 1D- and 1Ds-series DSLRs).

Some people really liked Eye Control.... or at least were infatuated with the idea of it. Personally I used a couple EOS-3 and an Elan 7E with it, and it never seemed to work very well for me. But I wear eyeglasses and that might have been part of the problem. Another thing was that I soon learned I had a tendency to look all around the image area, not just at my subjects.... that made Eye Control a bit crazy, especially on the EOS-3s, as it tried to track my eye.

Some people apparently have much better results with it and there was a lot of moaning and groaning when Canon didn't continue to offer Eye Control on subsequent cameras (mostly DSLRs... I think they only ever intro'd one or two film DSLRs after the 1V). But I suspect some of the whiners never actually used it, just thought it sounded like a really cool feature.

Maybe it's been redesigned to work better this time, if Canon actually follows through from the patent and produces a camera with Eye Control. No doubt the more powerful processors in cameras today will help it, too.

We'll see!

Edit: There are articles posted about this online. Do a search for "Canon Eye Control" online at Digital Camera World and elsewhere. I'd post a link for your convenience, but for reasons that have never been entirely clear to me, if I did that UHH policy would cause this post to be banished to some obscure part of the forum.
Canon News web site has reported a recent patent f... (show quote)


Yes, exactly to be confused with eye-focus!

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Aug 9, 2019 18:46:30   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
bluezzzzz wrote:
In the original version, was there any indication in the viewfinder of where the camera was actually focussing?


It was wherever you looked at in the viewfinder, that was where the camera was focusing, no indication needed!

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Aug 9, 2019 23:19:48   #
bluezzzzz Loc: Stamping Ground, KY
 
speters wrote:
It was wherever you looked at in the viewfinder, that was where the camera was focusing, no indication needed!


I understand that this was the intent of this feature, what I wanted to know was if there was a visual indication in the viewfinder of what the camera thought was where the photographer wanted perfect focus.

And amphoto1 answered that perfectly.

Thanks,

Marshall

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Aug 10, 2019 06:49:17   #
Jerrin1 Loc: Wolverhampton, England
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Canon News web site has reported a recent patent filing for what appears to be an EOS R-series (mirrorless) camera with an Eye Control system. (Not to be confused with Eye Focus, found on some cameras today, where the AF system detects the subject's eye and focuses on that automatically.)

For those who don't know, Eye Control was a fairly short-lived feature that found it's way onto three Canon 35mm film SLRs back in the 1990s: Canon A2E (EOS 5), Elan 7E (EOS 30) and EOS-3.

Eye Control was supposed to track the photographer's eye movement and activate the AF point wherever they were looking. It was rather simple on the A2E with it's 5-point AF system and not much more sophisticated on the Elan 7's 7-point system. But there were high hopes for it with the 45-point AF system of the EOS-3 (that same 45-point system, without Eye Control, was used in EOS 1V SLR as well as a couple generations of EOS 1D- and 1Ds-series DSLRs).

Some people really liked Eye Control.... or at least were infatuated with the idea of it. Personally I used a couple EOS-3 and an Elan 7E with it, and it never seemed to work very well for me. But I wear eyeglasses and that might have been part of the problem. Another thing was that I soon learned I had a tendency to look all around the image area, not just at my subjects.... that made Eye Control a bit crazy, especially on the EOS-3s, as it tried to track my eye.

Some people apparently have much better results with it and there was a lot of moaning and groaning when Canon didn't continue to offer Eye Control on subsequent cameras (mostly DSLRs... I think they only ever intro'd one or two film DSLRs after the 1V). But I suspect some of the whiners never actually used it, just thought it sounded like a really cool feature.

Maybe it's been redesigned to work better this time, if Canon actually follows through from the patent and produces a camera with Eye Control. No doubt the more powerful processors in cameras today will help it, too.

We'll see!

Edit: There are articles posted about this online. Do a search for "Canon Eye Control" online at Digital Camera World and elsewhere. I'd post a link for your convenience, but for reasons that have never been entirely clear to me, if I did that UHH policy would cause this post to be banished to some obscure part of the forum.
Canon News web site has reported a recent patent f... (show quote)


It worked beautifully on my EOS5. In fact, the EOS5 was easily the best 35mm camera I owned: and I owned a Pentax Spotmatic F, Olympus OM1, OM2, EOS650, EOS600 and ESO10. I now own a Sony A9 and Sony A7III (which I may replace with a Sony A7RIV) so there is no way I would ever go back to Canon, even with a super - duper eye control.

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Aug 10, 2019 07:08:09   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Jerrin1 wrote:
It worked beautifully on my EOS5. In fact, the EOS5 was easily the best 35mm camera I owned: and I owned a Pentax Spotmatic F, Olympus OM1, OM2, EOS650, EOS600 and ESO10. I now own a Sony A9 and Sony A7III (which I may replace with a Sony A7RIV) so there is no way I would ever go back to Canon, even with a super - duper eye control.


I am so glad you will not go back to Canon.

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Aug 10, 2019 08:06:39   #
wishaw
 
Loved it on my elan IIe. It was supposed to learn and get better as you used it. It could be set for 3 different people. The problem was my daughter would use the camera on my eye setting and when I used it again it had adjusted to her eye. Hope they put it back on all cameras. Manual adjustment of the focus point is not as good

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Aug 10, 2019 10:09:45   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
I had it on my Elans (2 and 7) and the EOS 3. It worked so perfectly. I was SO disappointed when I bought my 1D only to find out it didn't have it! I had no idea they had dropped that feature because I thought it was one of their best. Bringing it back in the R may make me buy that camera! I wish they'd bring it back as an option on all their cameras.

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Aug 10, 2019 12:21:36   #
cigar dude Loc: South Central MA
 
I too used it on the EOS 3 and was surprised it didn't make it to digital. It was great for me. Of course, I wasn't wearing glasses then, but I use the dioptric adjustment now with my glasses dangling around my neck if I need them.

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