young earth or old earth?
Aug 28, 2012 09:37:20 #
ok, belivers, non-belivers,and scientist.what is your take on the age of the universe and the world?
my take,i belive in a creator, however i see nothing in the bible or any other writings that implies that the earth is only 6,000-10,000 yrs old. if the creator is eternal i find it impossible to belive that he waited until 6000 yrs ago to get into the creation bussiness.
my take,i belive in a creator, however i see nothing in the bible or any other writings that implies that the earth is only 6,000-10,000 yrs old. if the creator is eternal i find it impossible to belive that he waited until 6000 yrs ago to get into the creation bussiness.
Aug 28, 2012 09:39:54 #
Aug 28, 2012 09:45:06 #
bull drink water wrote:
ok, belivers, non-belivers,and scientist.what is your take on the age of the universe and the world?
my take,i belive in a creator, however i see nothing in the bible or any other writings that implies that the earth is only 6,000-10,000 yrs old. if the creator is eternal i find it impossible to belive that he waited until 6000 yrs ago to get into the creation bussiness.
my take,i belive in a creator, however i see nothing in the bible or any other writings that implies that the earth is only 6,000-10,000 yrs old. if the creator is eternal i find it impossible to belive that he waited until 6000 yrs ago to get into the creation bussiness.
The evidence, obtained through many different lines of research in many different scientific endeavors, show the earth to be about 4.5 billion years old and the universe about 10 billion years older.
Other than in some people's imagination, there is no evidence supporting a young earth or universe. Most of the mainstream christian churches accept the figure as determined by science.
It's just those who think the bible is a science book who believe otherwise. There is no claims to be found in the bible that everything contained within the bible is true. Biblical inerrantists are following a non-biblical doctrine.
And look pretty damned silly to the rest of us. :lol:
Aug 28, 2012 10:28:32 #
First, I am a Christian and I believe the Bible (Holy Bible, KJV, NIV, ASV, or whatever) word for word.
Senond, I do believe the world is much older then 6000 or even 6 million years or 6 billion years. Why should I care how old the world or the universe is. As far as time is concerned my time here on earth is just a blink of the eye.
What I do think and it is just an opinion is, when one adds up all the 'who begot who's' in the bible you come up with a figure of roughly 6000 more or less years, when man's first concept of who or what God is from the view point of the Jews. The One True God concept. God and man interact with each other, up till the time of Jesus, and continues to this day.
Third, take it or leave it or form your own views.
Senond, I do believe the world is much older then 6000 or even 6 million years or 6 billion years. Why should I care how old the world or the universe is. As far as time is concerned my time here on earth is just a blink of the eye.
What I do think and it is just an opinion is, when one adds up all the 'who begot who's' in the bible you come up with a figure of roughly 6000 more or less years, when man's first concept of who or what God is from the view point of the Jews. The One True God concept. God and man interact with each other, up till the time of Jesus, and continues to this day.
Third, take it or leave it or form your own views.
Aug 28, 2012 13:03:42 #
Much older than 6 billion years and you're going to run into the paradox of the earth being older than the universe.
It's not a matter of taking it or leaving it. It's a matter of what the evidence says. You either accept the evidence or reject it.
It's not a matter of taking it or leaving it. It's a matter of what the evidence says. You either accept the evidence or reject it.
Aug 28, 2012 13:44:50 #
ngc1514 wrote:
Much older than 6 billion years and you're going to run into the paradox of the earth being older than the universe.
It's not a matter of taking it or leaving it. It's a matter of what the evidence says. You either accept the evidence or reject it.
It's not a matter of taking it or leaving it. It's a matter of what the evidence says. You either accept the evidence or reject it.
How old the earth or the universe is isn't the point - except for a good arguement. What is important is the evidence, that is to prove or to disprove the age of either, but then again, what dose that matter? I wake up, do my thing, unaware that another day has been added to the age of our earth. It dose not concern me, and why should it? I am getting older - that concerns me.
If it comes down to what is being taught in shools, then fight it out if that is what concerns you. I believe it should be taught at home and kept in the home or at church. That said, let me also say, don't shove your crap down my throat either. Life is too short. Believe what you will to be happy and let me do the same. There are things in life that we can work together to make life better for us both and for others when we put aside our differances. Arguing about how old the earth is dosen't do either of us any good.
Aug 28, 2012 14:05:03 #
This line of "BUNK" about the 6,000 year age of the earth is another bit that was thought up by some sort of Catholic big shot who came to that conclusion some time ago - I hear in the 12 00 or 1400s and just like lots of other "TRUTHS" from the Catholic Church has been passed on and sworn to by many others.
Any one who has paid any attention to historical findings of ancient mankind would know life/man has been on this planet 10s of thousand years - Daaa -how about the different periods of time - the ice ages coming and going?
These folks believing that "GOD" as they understand HIM created the earth and the universe is no different than the Ancients - Egyptians, Mayans, Aztec, Incas worshiping their Gods who they believed in.
JMHO
Harvey
Any one who has paid any attention to historical findings of ancient mankind would know life/man has been on this planet 10s of thousand years - Daaa -how about the different periods of time - the ice ages coming and going?
These folks believing that "GOD" as they understand HIM created the earth and the universe is no different than the Ancients - Egyptians, Mayans, Aztec, Incas worshiping their Gods who they believed in.
JMHO
Harvey
Aug 28, 2012 14:28:27 #
Harvey wrote:
This line of "BUNK" about the 6,000 year... (show quote)
No need to get upset Harvey. You have the right to believe what you want to believe. I am not Catholic and not all Christians believe the earth is ONLY 6000 years old. It might also be that alot of Catholics believe the eath is older as well.
We believe what we want to believe, don't we Harvey. We feel better when we are with those who views are the same as our own. It is a lonely world out there when there is no one to share our beliefs with.
Aug 28, 2012 15:10:11 #
New World, Old World. What came first, the chicken or the egg. We seem to get our statistics from people that are authorities in their own mind. Remember the "Flat World" theory"? In my opinion: Most people that think they know everything usually don't know very much at all.
One way or the other, It's feel good legislation. Believe in what makes you feel good.
As for waiting until the last 6000 years... Do you know how long it takes to get the proper Building Permits? The Environmental Impact Study was probably the biggest set back.
One way or the other, It's feel good legislation. Believe in what makes you feel good.
As for waiting until the last 6000 years... Do you know how long it takes to get the proper Building Permits? The Environmental Impact Study was probably the biggest set back.
Aug 28, 2012 15:11:45 #
Just for the sake of accuracy, James Ussher was not Catholic, but Church of England. The only people who believe the earth is 6,000 years old are those who think every word in the bible is true - biblical inerrantists.
Aug 28, 2012 15:12:14 #
handgunner wrote:
New World, Old World. What came first, the chicken... (show quote)
The egg, of course.
Aug 28, 2012 15:43:38 #
DougW
Loc: SoCal
ngc1514 wrote:
quote=handgunner New World, Old World. What came ... (show quote)
He was the one with the cigarette and a smile right?
:mrgreen:
Aug 28, 2012 15:51:04 #
To believe these "begets" is to really believe in campfire stories - It is to ignore or forget the thousands of years man was on earth before - a language ( to even name people & children)and then a form writing (drawings came first) then the written word - then how long before knowing how to write it on tablets - OK thousands of years and you really believe these names are accurate - just look one place - the story of Adam & Eve - if they were the first people and their children were the only offspring - who was this other tribe their daughter married into - Daaaaa
These story tellers need to get their stories together.
Common sense is lost by many who still believe the Adam & Eve story "IF" they read the whole story.
JMHO
What I do think and it is just an opinion is, when one adds up all the 'who begot who's' in the bible you come up with a figure of roughly 6000 more or less years, when man's first concept of who or what
These story tellers need to get their stories together.
Common sense is lost by many who still believe the Adam & Eve story "IF" they read the whole story.
JMHO
What I do think and it is just an opinion is, when one adds up all the 'who begot who's' in the bible you come up with a figure of roughly 6000 more or less years, when man's first concept of who or what
Aug 28, 2012 16:01:26 #
Harvey wrote:
To believe these "begets" is to really b... (show quote)
You have gotten the hang of it Harvey. You have learned to pick and choose what you want to believe.
Aug 28, 2012 16:31:51 #
There was also the big hoopla about the world ending in December 21? 2012 according to the Mayan calendar. Our calendar ends on December 31, then starts over. so does theirs.
To God, one day to him is a 1000 years to us. Moses lived to 120 years old and wandered the desert for 40 years looking for the Promised Land. So much for men asking for directions. There is a message here: Don't ever send Moses out for a gallon of milk.
All kidding aside, Time is nothing more than man's creation to satisfy his owm curiosity. To all other creatures, time does not exist. They have no need or use for it. Everthing revolves around Nature. Weeks and months are meaningless. Temperature, weather, and the amount of daylight or lack of it are paramount to their very existence.
To God, one day to him is a 1000 years to us. Moses lived to 120 years old and wandered the desert for 40 years looking for the Promised Land. So much for men asking for directions. There is a message here: Don't ever send Moses out for a gallon of milk.
All kidding aside, Time is nothing more than man's creation to satisfy his owm curiosity. To all other creatures, time does not exist. They have no need or use for it. Everthing revolves around Nature. Weeks and months are meaningless. Temperature, weather, and the amount of daylight or lack of it are paramount to their very existence.
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