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Jul 31, 2019 19:56:01   #
natureslight Loc: Winona, Minnesota
 
Novicus wrote:
Indeed , I too, wholeheartedly thank Everyone for their time and Patience ,and certainly for their Ability to explain things so that even i can understand.

Having knowledge is one thing, being Able to Convey said knowledge is a different matter, ..as I have tried, asked and still had trouble understanding the bits and pieces of Info gathered here and there , yet , now finally getting an Inkling of steps to take.

So, if I understand Correctly,...Set/ Use Recording Equipment ( Camera /Lenses etc. ) to Highest Standard.

Which means TIFF on Camera and then Downscale to a practical size with which the Computer/Printer is Comfortable with ( being able to cope within its capacity )

Said in darkroom terms : Start with a large negative..well exposed ..correctly developed etc., so as to be able , even after Cropping ,to produce an A3 in Utmost Quality.

Now, do i Need to resort to TIFF ( slowing camera severely ..nikon D3s / D3X ) or could I get away with NEF ( Nikon RAW format ) converted / scaled down accordingly using Nikon Capture NXD ,...or even Jpeg ERI ( Kodak Jpeg format ...Kodak SlrN ) using Photodesk.

I apologise to natureslight if I appear to be hi-jacking his posting as such is not my intent, it is just that my take is only slightly different as I intend to " do printing myself " as opposed to his wanting to "have it done", for I could Not afford otherwise.

Thanks a million :-)
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Jul 31, 2019 22:07:22   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Novicus wrote:
Indeed , I too, wholeheartedly thank Everyone for their time and Patience ,and certainly for their Ability to explain things so that even i can understand.

Having knowledge is one thing, being Able to Convey said knowledge is a different matter, ..as I have tried, asked and still had trouble understanding the bits and pieces of Info gathered here and there , yet , now finally getting an Inkling of steps to take.

So, if I understand Correctly,...Set/ Use Recording Equipment ( Camera /Lenses etc. ) to Highest Standard.

Which means TIFF on Camera and then Downscale to a practical size with which the Computer/Printer is Comfortable with ( being able to cope within its capacity )

Said in darkroom terms : Start with a large negative..well exposed ..correctly developed etc., so as to be able , even after Cropping ,to produce an A3 in Utmost Quality.

Now, do i Need to resort to TIFF ( slowing camera severely ..nikon D3s / D3X ) or could I get away with NEF ( Nikon RAW format ) converted / scaled down accordingly using Nikon Capture NXD ,...or even Jpeg ERI ( Kodak Jpeg format ...Kodak SlrN ) using Photodesk.

I apologise to natureslight if I appear to be hi-jacking his posting as such is not my intent, it is just that my take is only slightly different as I intend to " do printing myself " as opposed to his wanting to "have it done", for I could Not afford otherwise.

Thanks a million :-)
Indeed , I too, wholeheartedly thank Everyone for ... (show quote)


Record RAW files. They are smaller, yet contain MORE of what the sensor records. TIFF is a processed, developed format. The raw data has to be demosaiced to make one, then all the menu settings are applied and the image is baked. Better to do that in post processing, so you can change your mind!

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Jul 31, 2019 22:29:13   #
Novicus Loc: north and east
 
Thank you for the prompt reply, I am also wondering when for printing what choice you would recommend between Uncompressed ..."lossy" or "Losless" , `tho I think that I understand the Difference between these formats , it is Clear to me now that Printing has a set of requirements that I was unaware of.

Thank you so much for helping out,it is Appreciated


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Jul 31, 2019 23:27:52   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
burkphoto wrote:
Record RAW files. They are smaller, yet contain MORE of what the sensor records. TIFF is a processed, developed format. The raw data has to be demosaiced to make one, then all the menu settings are applied and the image is baked. Better to do that in post processing, so you can change your mind!




Like what he said. For full camera capability, capture the image to RAW.
This is also a fairly good file type for conservation(long term storage).

Do not expect others to see the same image if you share RAW files. RAW files needs to be interpreted to be viewed. There are many software capable of interpreting them but how they would will depend on settings and software defaults. New updated versions of RAW is usually only read by its own manufacturer.

From RAW, adjust the image as you see fit and save that to TIFF if you intend to process further or to send them to others so that they will see (exactly) what you like them to see. This is still a specialized file and there might still be some software that will not read TIFF.

Otherwise you may save the RAW after adjustments into JPEG. Even from TIFF, this is the final step. It is for those files that you do not intend to do anything else but light editing, storage, print & share. This is the universal file.

Some cameras like old point & shoot and most cel phone cameras do not make RAW files. Instead they save straight to JPEG.
Some photographers also shoot straight to JPEG even if their camera can shoot RAW. If they know the difference, its a matter of choice and intention.

Although not intended to be edited, JPEG can be to some extent adjusted too. But it needs more skill and specialized software.

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Aug 1, 2019 11:37:45   #
Tom85
 
I have been following this discussion with much interest but very little understanding. I will save it all and digest it over time. Thanks to everyone for the helpful information. I do my own printing at home with an Epson R2880 Photo Printer, calibrated computer monitor and Ilford papers. My prints look exactly like what I see on the screen to my satisfaction so far.

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Aug 2, 2019 01:09:57   #
Bill P
 
Different printers require different files. If you're printer uses a printer that prints on wet process paper, it may want the smaller files.

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Aug 2, 2019 20:27:49   #
Novicus Loc: north and east
 
I think I will establish a work-flow in this manner :

Camera set to RAW lossless compressed at 14 bit ...process in Capture NX-D with output set to either Jpeg for convenience/good quality...or when highest IQ is required set to TIFF 16 bit.

I have looked at the Epson P-series printers,and those are something else, Three ( 3 !! ) shades of black and with Unsurpassed Longevity to boot..unfortunately they also cost accordingly.

I have also looked at Canon Pixma printers,and those seem a bit more budget friendly .

Longevity , ( picture-wise ) is Important, but when the print is kept out of direct sunlight , then they`ll probably last Ten or more years would n`t you say ?

Am I on the right path,..Is there anything else I should be taking into consideration , concerning my plans of " printing in house " ?

Admittedly , I am rather Confused about the comment regarding " wet-process " paper

Thanks to everyone for the help provided, in Particular to Mr. Burkholder and Mr. Wallen,who Patiently and to the Point Shared their Extensive Knowledge , ..but also to Natureslight for allowing me to " crash the door " .

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