ArtzDarkroom Loc: Near Disneyland-Orange County, California

There's a problem with m********n of any child for medically suspect reasons.

I wonder if people opposed to FGM today are also opposed to MGM.

I raised 4 sons without mutilating them. When my children/adults got old enough to get tats, some did, their decision. When my daughter was old enough to decide, she had her ears pierced. Her choice, not ours.

trainspotter Loc: Oregon

I was "mutilated" in 1955......so what.....don't remember it.. aint never thought bout it TILL you said something...I forgot....now days......people like to "show each other their special parts to compare" I've yet to hear sum kid skipping down the street singing....I still got my forskin...I still got my foreskin. (Wasted topic)

TBPJr Loc: South Carolina

They are not even remotely similar, let alone equivalent. Circumcision is a practice done ultimately for hygiene and health (and for some religious reasons), in a well-recognized medical procedure (or a religious ceremony); female g*****l m********n is an attempt to suppress and control female sexuality--it typically includes removal of the accessible portion of the clitoris, the clitoral hood, and, frequently, portions of the labia, and leaves a mass of scar tissue; there certainly is no hygienic basis for it, and it is against the law in most countries.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Really Art, you think that they are the same? Dude, really?

FGM/C can cause long-term problems with a girl's or woman's physical, mental, and sexual health. The type of FGM/C done may affect how much and how serious the health problems are. Type 2 and type 3 cause more serious health problems than type 1.

Long-term health problems include:9

Infections, such as g*****l abscesses (sores filled with pus that must be drained) and infectious diseases such as hepatitis B. In one large study, more infections and infectious diseases such as urinary tract infections, bacterial vaginosis, and HIV were found in women with type 3 FGM/C.10 This is probably because the damage caused by FGM/C can make vaginal tissue more likely to tear during sex. This increases the risk of HIV and other sexually t***smitted infections (STIs).

Problems having sex. Extra scar tissue from FGM/C (most common after type 2 or type 3) can cause pain, especially during sex. This can lead to a lack of interest in sex, vaginal dryness, and lower overall satisfaction.11 Scarring can also cause vaginal tissue to be less elastic than normal vaginal tissue. It might not stretch as easily for sex or childbirth.

Depression and anxiety. Girls may not understand what is being done to them or why. The effects of this painful experience are similar to those of post-traumatic stress disorder. Girls or women who have already been cut and are living in the United States may be disgraced or humiliated when they receive medical care.12,13 They may also fear that health care providers in the United States do not know how to take care of them.14 This can make adjusting to a new country more challenging.

Painful and prolonged menstrual periods. Type 3 FGM/C may cause some girls and women to have painful menstrual periods. Some women are left with only a small opening for urinating and menstrual bleeding. They may not be able to pass all of their menstrual blood. This can cause pain and periods that are longer than normal. Some women may also have infections over and over again.
Urinary problems. Type 3 FGM/C may slow or strain the normal flow of urine, which can cause urinary tract infections. Urine can also get trapped behind the scar and crystallize, forming hard masses called bladder, or urinary, stones.

Fistula, an opening between the urethra and vagina that lets urine run into the vagina. This can happen when the urethra is damaged during FGM/C. Fistula causes incontinence and other problems, including odors, and can cause girls and women to become social outcasts.

Girls and women who come to the United States and have already been cut may face additional health problems. Doctors and other health care providers may not know how to adequately treat the girls' and women's unique health needs. In some cases, health care providers lack training on counseling and caring for girls and women who have been cut.9

https://www.womenshealth.gov/a-z-topics/female-g*****l-cutting

btbg

Artz, the two are not equivalent. The one prevents the individual from ever having any sexual pleasure, the other does not.

Should doctors do circumcisions? No, but to say the two are equivalent is absurd.

tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio

What the hell is wrong with you Art?

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

Circumcision like everyone else has said is a huge difference. Not being circumcised til I was 17 made a huge difference. I wish I would have had it done as an infant.

shagbat Loc: London

If god had wanted us to be a certain 'shape', she would have made us that way. I still can't get my head around having nipples, they'd be of more use to fish!

Griff Loc: Warwick U.K.

[quote=shagbat]If god had wanted us to be a certain 'shape', she would have made us that way. I still can't get my head around having nipples, they'd be of more use

No program is ever bug free!

incognito

Not to mention that having a foreskin helps spread HPV and cervical problems to women. Also a place to collect smegma, lint, and little bugs that make it smell and taste bad.

RichieC Loc: Adirondacks

Well I'm not for male circumcision, I had no say in mine.... but i don't consider it "m********n" either- "it hasn't slowed me down much".

Female circumcision, the removal of its nerve endings, and ultimate purpose... is both physically and mentally mutilating and is intended to be cruel- the only equivalent might me the removal of testicles to sing in a choir or serve a princess or to torture permanently- etc. Male foreskin accomplishes none of these things.

But making them somehow equivalent is a demonstration of the thought process of an entire skewed movement. The hypocritical stance that supports those who consider the subjugation of women a protected religious (theocratic really) right.

RWCRNC Loc: Pennsylvania

The huge difference between male and female g*****l m********n is that the clitoris is removed.
Think about that for a moment.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

You have no actual comprehension of the topic ... or, you are worried about your dhimmi application not being approved and want some bonus points with your local Imam.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

He has dedicated his life to apologizing for tyranny.

mwalsh Loc: Houston

You're generally quite rational.


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