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Jul 12, 2019 21:11:36   #
Paloviejo
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I concur. The exposure is fine for every one of these example and I confused why the discussion would drive off along this unrelated topic.


The original comment related to a different post that had backgrounds that had people and objects that distracted from the subject. I posted the present ones to show that sometimes there is nothing that can be done to eliminate background distractions. I've gotten a lot of good suggestions on how to handle backgrounds and will try some of them when the season resumes in the Fall.

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Jul 12, 2019 21:57:41   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Paloviejo wrote:
...I posted the present ones to show that sometimes there is nothing that can be done to eliminate background distractions.


But there is. With your camera at 100mm and f5.6, the DOF at 33’ is over 11’. If you had shot the same image with a 135 f2 wide open at the same distance, the DOF would have been just over 2’. That is one reason why sports and journalist photographers often shoot fast lenses wide open.

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Jul 12, 2019 23:03:58   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Paloviejo wrote:
The original comment related to a different post that had backgrounds that had people and objects that distracted from the subject. I posted the present ones to show that sometimes there is nothing that can be done to eliminate background distractions. I've gotten a lot of good suggestions on how to handle backgrounds and will try some of them when the season resumes in the Fall.


If you get a chance, I'd like to see an original JPEG (or a CR2 conversion to JPEG via DPP) to look at the auto-focus configuration. From the details of the image I looked at, it seems there might be some opportunities in the AF configuration.

Also, when you consider Trix's comment / DOF analysis, if you dial in 300mm rather than 100mm for f/5.6 on a cropped sensor, this also generates a much smaller DOF, to about 8-inches assuming 30-feet from the cropped sensor to the subject. I mention in case you don't have an f/2 prime to throw at this situation. A longer focal length is another idea in an attempt to blow-out the background. Of course, if you do have a 100 or 135L, remember there's nothing you can point a 135L at and fail to come away with an excellent image.

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Jul 13, 2019 00:14:55   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If you get a chance, I'd like to see an original JPEG (or a CR2 conversion to JPEG via DPP) to look at the auto-focus configuration. From the details of the image I looked at, it seems there might be some opportunities in the AF configuration.

Also, when you consider Trix's comment / DOF analysis, if you dial in 300mm rather than 100mm for f/5.6 on a cropped sensor, this also generates a much smaller DOF, to about 8-inches assuming 30-feet from the cropped sensor to the subject. I mention in case you don't have an f/2 prime to throw at this situation. A longer focal length is another idea in an attempt to blow-out the background. Of course, if you do have a 100 or 135L, remember there's nothing you can point a 135L at and fail to come away with an excellent image.
If you get a chance, I'd like to see an original J... (show quote)


An excellent suggestion - back up and shoot at a longer FL to decrease the DOF if you don’t have access to a faster lens.

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Jul 13, 2019 09:35:53   #
Paloviejo
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If you get a chance, I'd like to see an original JPEG (or a CR2 conversion to JPEG via DPP) to look at the auto-focus configuration. From the details of the image I looked at, it seems there might be some opportunities in the AF configuration.

Also, when you consider Trix's comment / DOF analysis, if you dial in 300mm rather than 100mm for f/5.6 on a cropped sensor, this also generates a much smaller DOF, to about 8-inches assuming 30-feet from the cropped sensor to the subject. I mention in case you don't have an f/2 prime to throw at this situation. A longer focal length is another idea in an attempt to blow-out the background. Of course, if you do have a 100 or 135L, remember there's nothing you can point a 135L at and fail to come away with an excellent image.
If you get a chance, I'd like to see an original J... (show quote)


Select one of the photos you would like to see and I'll send you the original SOOC.

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Jul 13, 2019 09:46:04   #
Paloviejo
 
TriX wrote:
An excellent suggestion - back up and shoot at a longer FL to decrease the DOF if you don’t have access to a faster lens.


I prefer to be at field level because the action on the field is much better portrayed than when looking down from the stadium seats or the TV booth. This stadium was way to small for the 400 mm lens I had on the camera when I came from the open fields where the prelims were played. Moving up into the stadium would have put me further away but also have me looking down on the action.

I'm learning from from these discussions and appreciate everyone's comments and suggestions.

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Jul 13, 2019 10:37:45   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Paloviejo wrote:
Select one of the photos you would like to see and I'll send you the original SOOC.


Let's have a look at the 5th from the top (two players with ball, blue guy in back) and the final one with the partially bald, grey-haired guy. Both images do not have the focus on the portion of the image closed to the camera and I'd like to see the image / AF details so see if I can assess 'why'.

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Jul 13, 2019 11:11:53   #
Paloviejo
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Let's have a look at the 5th from the top (two players with ball, blue guy in back) and the final one with the partially bald, grey-haired guy. Both images do not have the focus on the portion of the image closed to the camera and I'd like to see the image / AF details so see if I can assess 'why'.


I looked for the originals and found that I had cleaned out the closet. I took so many during the tournament that I didn't use that I wiped them from the disk along with the originals from the ones I did process. I checked the waste basket and I had dumped it also to reclaim disk space. I learned another lesson this morning!

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Jul 26, 2019 15:21:40   #
SkyKing Loc: Thompson Ridge, NY
 
Paloviejo wrote:
These photos were taken at the finals of the Memorial Day Weekend 8v8 tournament at the MUSC Health Stadium on Daniels Island, Charleston, SC. There were three fields laid out cross wise to the regular field with matches being played simultaneously on all three.

The temperature that afternoon was about 95 and the humidity seemed to be 95 also which causes haze in some of the photos. It was so miserable that one of the two teams in the final of their division decided they would rather have second place than play the match and went home.

As mentioned in a previous post backgrounds are a distraction to the subject and these are extreme examples of that comment.
These photos were taken at the finals of the Memor... (show quote)


...you may want to consider shooting from a different angle...I prefer to shoot from higher up so that the playing field becomes the background...this shot is not as nice as yours but you get the idea...



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Jul 26, 2019 17:28:50   #
Paloviejo
 
Good idea and I may try that at next year's tournament finals.

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