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Jul 8, 2019 09:12:10   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Bobspez wrote:
Some people would make the same comments about supporting our country who k**led millions of vietnamese and millions of iraqi's and kept Cuba in destitution for decades due to our embargoes and policies. What did our secret police do around the world for the last 70 years?

Ignorance of history can cause the type of hypocricy you have given here.


Sorry but your numbers don’t make sense to me. America was at war in Vietnam and Iraq. When at war people are k**led. Yes, War is a b***h and is hell. But that is how wars are won. But to say America k**led millions, even in the war with these countries is a bit high isn’t it?

Now you are telling us that is America’s fault that the people of Cuba were, “in destitution”, for decades. Perhaps the Socialist Castro regime had at least some responsibility in all of this, say 100%. You people that blame America for the woes of the world really are a pathetic lot. Should America have just supported Cuba as we have other countries around the world? Do none of these countries bear any responsibility for their economic problems?

Dennis

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Jul 8, 2019 09:14:28   #
genesampson
 
Ditto!

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Jul 8, 2019 09:16:37   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
sb wrote:
The blockade and embargo does not seem to have really worked all that well over the last SIXTY years. How about we try open lines of communications with the Cuban people for a change? Our wall has allowed the Castro regime to repress its people. Why is Cuba verboten for those right-wingers here and Vietnam and China not? Cuba has actually become less repressive, and I think that one of the reasons is the increased exposure on the world stage that has been created by increased visitation to the island nation.
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Wasn’t it the Castro brothers who basically told Obama to F off?

Why don’t you share the same thought process when President Trump is trying to open diplomatic relations with North Korea? Somebody has to start somewhere, do they not?

Dennis

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Jul 8, 2019 09:19:20   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Sorry but your numbers don’t make sense to me. America was at war in Vietnam and Iraq. When at war people are k**led. Yes, War is a b***h and is hell. But that is how wars are won. But to say America k**led millions, even in the war with these countries is a bit high isn’t it?

Now you are telling us that is America’s fault that the people of Cuba were, “in destitution”, for decades. Perhaps the Socialist Castro regime had at least some responsibility in all of this, say 100%. You people that blame America for the woes of the world really are a pathetic lot. Should America have just supported Cuba as we have other countries around the world? Do none of these countries bear any responsibility for their economic problems?

Dennis
Sorry but your numbers don’t make sense to me. Am... (show quote)


Well Said!!! They do tend to exaggerate...

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Jul 8, 2019 09:33:20   #
thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA
 
I too have been to Cuba and would love to go back. Cuba was nothing like all the negative propaganda I had heard my whole life. The people are amazing and enjoy life. Those who are bashing Cuba think how we look to other countries. I have been to 38 countries, I support a world view,

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Jul 8, 2019 09:39:39   #
d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA
 
Blaster34 wrote:
Some but all are not hypocrites….I won't travel to Russia, China, Cuba, Venezuela, NOK, Iran or any other C*******t country primarily because they are what they are, mostly repressive, butchering and murderous regimes. I did travel to Vietnam in March and saw what Capitalism, even pseudo Capitalism can do, not to mention they despise the Chinese....and the fact I served there 50 years ago.


Not accusing anyone of hypocracy; just selective judgement for some. Saudi Arabia is a big issue, to me. Starving and seemingly purposeful bombing of a high percentage if children as targets is a repetitive activity for them in Yemen. And using US-made armaments in the process. The Cubans got nothing on us, in that area, since Congress refuses to stop selling such arms to the Saudis...or Trump defending the Saudi murder of a reporter. The Cuban people suffer for the restrictions we apply on them, not their leaders. Yet they are no more guilty of excesses applied by their government than we are by ours.

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Jul 8, 2019 09:40:18   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
CWGordon wrote:
This always seems to breakdown to political beliefs. Right-wing Trumpers seem to always know what is right and wrong. Usually, I disagree. Opening Cuba was a hot-potato issue when it happened. I was unsure what to think. Eventually, I determined that Japan and Germany and Italy, even Great Britain had done things I found unconscionable. Yet, we have normalized our relations with them. I bet those against dealing in and with Cuba are just fine with how Donald has toadied up to Putin. If they could only see the hypocrisy in this.
Cuba, like it or not, is a country that needs to learn about how freedom and Democracy work in most countries of the world (ours being given and taken away under the current regime). They need to talk to our citizens and need to know more about the traditional values we espouse. As they learn about our values and do more trade w/us, the Government will lose some grip and hold on the people. This is why they call it cultural exchange. This pulls their country more into our orbit! Of course, maybe you guys prefer to hear about the “love letters” our leader and N Koreas’ leader have been “supposedly” sending back and forth. Your leader says it’s a good thing! Of course, that is ok, but Cuba is not. Which country is the most horrible in regards to human rights? How about what this country is doing to immigrant children. Donald says we k**l people ourselves. So, give it a break. This guy is helping build relations; a positive thing in todays’ world.
I could go into a bunch of other things you guys should worry about more than this. Our totally corrupt and developing Oligarchy. The obvious crimes we excuse daily for our leaders. The v**er suppression issues, the e******n i**********e by Russia, the lies we are told about the Mueller report, the investigation into the investigation, the endless foreign policy decisions hurting us around the globe, the more than 10,000 lies we have heard and been told in the last couple years, the discrimination against people whose sexual orientation may not be the same as ours...heck, I could go on for hours about how the attacks on the press, free speech, etc. are affecting our democratic and free way of life, but no one like you bothers to be open-minded or to listen. Travel outside the country, talk to others who differ from you, try to listen, not just hear. I, like many others, chose to be nice and polite and not argue when ignorant things were being said the last few years. I, for one, am tired of being so accepting of ignorant and bigoted comments. It is time nice people “resisted” a bit and let others know we have strong feelings, too.
I am sure that it is the same people who write rude and insulting remarks to innocent questions by people seeking knowledge and assistance that now ignorantly condemn a guy who is trying to help people understand other people. He sought no political opinions, but you felt free to attack w/o understanding what he might be trying to accomplish. My Father was in WWll and saw many dead and dying people, he was there for the liberation of concentration camps. He taught me about freedom and the many who have fought and died for it, or who came back with limbs missing or psychological problems. You want to support freedom and the military write your Congressmen about the deplorable state of the VA hospitals. Blindly saying you support the military w/o knowing what the military is all about is, once again, hypocrisy. It is not about putting tanks in the parade, it is about the vital and dangerous work they do to protect freedom. Countries like Russia and N Korea parade their military to intimidate their own and other people. The brave men and women who fight and represent our country do not need to show off, they should be thanked for their sacrifices. Give them better equipment, better hospitals and care when they need it.
I have in the past opposed the ridiculing and mean-spirited comments some of you make. I have also opposed this forum being made into a political forum. That is not needed. A little compassion for those who ask for your help is a small thing. Even if you think a question is stupid, does it make you bigger to make them feel smaller? It is you who are the smaller person. I will wager that many mothers have told you if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing! Some of you should have listened a bit better. I know I will receive negative comments from some of you regarding this message. That’s ok. I never expected you would understand my point, anyway. I will make a deal w/you, however. You keep your politics to your selves and I will, too.
Oh, and by the way, I would be interested in traveling to Cuba. I would appreciate learning more about the proposed trip. Price is important, as always, but even more, the itinerary.
I thank those who may disagree w/me for, at least, reading my writing.
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A sincere Thank You, CWGordon, for your expounding so well on the duplicity of the extreme conservatives in our country who have so perverted the conservative movement in the last 40 years.

Stan

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Jul 8, 2019 09:43:35   #
thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA
 
d2b2 wrote:
Not accusing anyone of hypocracy; just selective judgement for some. Saudi Arabia is a big issue, to me. Starving and seemingly purposeful bombing of a high percentage if children as targets is a repetitive activity for them in Yemen. And using US-made armaments in the process. The Cubans got nothing on us, in that area, since Congress refuses to stop selling such arms to the Saudis...or Trump defending the Saudi murder of a reporter. The Cuban people suffer for the restrictions we apply on them, not their leaders. Yet they are no more guilty of excesses applied by their government than we are by ours.
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Jul 8, 2019 09:56:10   #
parishard
 
If
they throw butt in prison don't come crying to us!

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Jul 8, 2019 10:07:54   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
Architect1776 wrote:
I am very educated.
I also have actually lived in these areas, you have NOT.
I have observed the moronic tourists wandering around in a state of stupidity.
But go ahead and do your thing, and hope you are proud of your support for murder and death.


Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however there is a big difference between an opinion and an insult, you are very insulting to the OP.

If she wants to go to Cuba that’s her business, not yours. Hopefully you are just as adamant against, Sanders, AOC, and the rest of the Socialist who are slowly taking over our country.

BTW, I’m an American Cuban, born and raised in this wonderful country. In 1959 the year Castro rolled into Havana I was visiting my grandparents. My uncle who was a high ranking government official for Bautista, sent an escort to get my mother, his son, wife, and me to the airport. Less than a week later, my uncle was executed by firing squad, and my father in prisoned for 30 years.
I never saw any of my family in Cuba ever again.
So yes, Cuba is an oppressive country, who’s government tortured and murdered thousands of its people. I would never go there until the c*******t socialist is gone, even though I don’t support going there, I don’t have the right to insult anyone for going there.

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Jul 8, 2019 10:12:50   #
parishard
 
Sounds like you have been sucking up too much AOC.

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Jul 8, 2019 10:13:51   #
d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA
 
Cookie223 wrote:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however there is a big difference between an opinion and an insult, you are very insulting to the OP.

If she wants to go to Cuba that’s her business, not yours. Hopefully you are just as adamant against, Sanders, AOC, and the rest of the Socialist who are slowly taking over our country.

BTW, I’m an American Cuban, born and raised in this wonderful country. In 1959 the year Castro rolled into Havana I was visiting my grandparents.


Well stated and with greater perspective than any of us. Thank you.

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Jul 8, 2019 10:16:27   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
Cookie223 wrote:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however there is a big difference between an opinion and an insult, you are very insulting to the OP.

If she wants to go to Cuba that’s her business, not yours. Hopefully you are just as adamant against, Sanders, AOC, and the rest of the Socialist who are slowly taking over our country.

BTW, I’m an American Cuban, born and raised in this wonderful country. In 1959 the year Castro rolled into Havana I was visiting my grandparents. My uncle who was a high ranking government official for Bautista, sent an escort to get my mother, his son, wife, and me to the airport. Less than a week later, my uncle was executed by firing squad, and my father in prisoned for 30 years.
I never saw any of my family in Cuba ever again.
So yes, Cuba is an oppressive country, who’s government tortured and murdered thousands of its people. I would never go there until the c*******t socialist is gone, even though I don’t support going there, I don’t have the right to insult anyone for going there.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however th... (show quote)


Batista was as bad as Castro. https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/modern-world-history-1918-to-1980/the-cold-war/fulgencio-batista/

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Jul 8, 2019 10:19:18   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 


He absolutely was!

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Jul 8, 2019 10:20:57   #
Ancientdave
 
You know nothing about Cuba, before the revolution, it was run by a brutal dictator supported by the USA, it was Americas play ground for gangsters, p*******es, and other d*****ts, and as for children dying, in the USA people die because they can not afford medical care or the drugs to keep them alive. Cuba has some of the best Doctors and Surgeons there are and the don,t have sick people that go into schools with high powered gun and shoot dozens of kids every so often.
Before shouting about how bad it is, go and see for yourself, then comment.

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