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Jul 3, 2019 22:45:27   #
EyeSawYou
 
John_F wrote:
Not being an advanced trained geologist I would know where the chart came from. But from my one geology course, the conclusions would come from inspections of geologic formation for presence of fossils. It was only after the Cambrian that sedimentary rocks occurred. This would imply that oxygen and water developed and chemically eroded the igneous rocks of the Cambrian. This information might be findable in numerous Introductory Geology text books. How do you know that facts have not been proven?
Not being an advanced trained geologist I would kn... (show quote)


Stratigraphy of the Cambrian Sedimentary Rocks of Eastern Pennsylvania

https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/gsabulletin/article-abstract/72/12/1765/5288/stratigraphy-of-the-cambrian-sedimentary-rocks-of?redirectedFrom=fulltext

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Jul 3, 2019 23:21:46   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
John_F wrote:
Not being an advanced trained geologist I would know where the chart came from. But from my one geology course, the conclusions would come from inspections of geologic formation for presence of fossils. It was only after the Cambrian that sedimentary rocks occurred. This would imply that oxygen and water developed and chemically eroded the igneous rocks of the Cambrian. This information might be findable in numerous Introductory Geology text books. How do you know that facts have not been proven?
Not being an advanced trained geologist I would kn... (show quote)


Top right corner. Still only theory.
It is a nice piece of art.

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Jul 4, 2019 00:28:21   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
This applies only to your country. Concentrate your efforts there.

Elaine, Elaine... you must be more careful in reading. You got the wrong John! (Oops, I just realized how wrong that sounds.)

But I am flattered to be in your mind so much.

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Jul 4, 2019 01:25:06   #
Nalle Loc: Tellus
 
LWW wrote:
From 1970:

1. Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that “civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”

2. “We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation,” wrote Washington University biologist Barry Commoner in the Earth Day issue of the scholarly journal Environment.

3. The day after the first Earth Day, the New York Times editorial page warned, “Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.”

4. “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip wh**ever small increases in food supplies we make,” Paul Ehrlich confidently declared in the April 1970 issue of Mademoiselle. “The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.”

5. “Most of the people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of man have already been born,” wrote Paul Ehrlich in a 1969 essay titled “Eco-Catastrophe! “By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”

6. Ehrlich sketched out his most alarmist scenario for the 1970 Earth Day issue of The Progressive, assuring readers that between 1980 and 1989, some 4 billion people, including 65 million Americans, would perish in the “Great Die-Off.”

7. “It is already too late to avoid mass starvation,” declared Denis Hayes, the chief organizer for Earth Day, in the Spring 1970 issue of The Living Wilderness.

8. Peter Gunter, a North Texas State University professor, wrote in 1970, “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”

9. In January 1970, Life reported, “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….”

10. Ecologist Kenneth Watt told Time that, “At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”

11. Barry Commoner predicted that decaying organic pollutants would use up all of the oxygen in America’s rivers, causing freshwater fish to suffocate.

12. Paul Ehrlich chimed in, predicting in 1970 that “air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.” Ehrlich sketched a scenario in which 200,000 Americans would die in 1973 during “smog disasters” in New York and Los Angeles.

13. Paul Ehrlich warned in the May 1970 issue of Audubon that DDT and other chlorinated hydrocarbons “may have substantially reduced the life expectancy of people born since 1945.” Ehrlich warned that Americans born since 1946…now had a life expectancy of only 49 years, and he predicted that if current patterns continued this expectancy would reach 42 years by 1980, when it might level out. (Note: According to the most recent CDC report, life expectancy in the US is 78.8 years).

14. Ecologist Kenneth Watt declared, “By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, `I am very sorry, there isn’t any.'”

15. Harrison Brown, a scientist at the National Academy of Sciences, published a chart in Scientific American that looked at metal reserves and estimated the humanity would totally run out of copper shortly after 2000. Lead, zinc, tin, gold, and silver would be gone before 1990.

16. Sen. Gaylord Nelson wrote in Look that, “Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”

17. In 1975, Paul Ehrlich predicted that “since more than nine-tenths of the original tropical rainforests will be removed in most areas within the next 30 years or so, it is expected that half of the organisms in these areas will vanish with it.”

18. Kenneth Watt warned about a pending Ice Age in a speech. “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years,” he declared. “If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”

http://www.aei.org/publication/18-spectacularly-wrong-predictions-made-around-the-time-of-first-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year/
From 1970: br br 1. Harvard biologist George Wald... (show quote)


https://dailycaller.com/2015/04/22/flashback-1970-earth-day-prof-predicted-a-super-ice-age-would-engulf-the-world/

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/04/22/failed-earth-day-predictions/

Intresting sources you have...........

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Jul 4, 2019 05:24:26   #
EyeSawYou
 
Nalle wrote:
https://dailycaller.com/2015/04/22/flashback-1970-earth-day-prof-predicted-a-super-ice-age-would-engulf-the-world/

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/04/22/failed-earth-day-predictions/

Intresting sources you have...........


Lol you think your source is better? You use f**e news satire The Palmer Report. lol

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Jul 4, 2019 05:25:16   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Nalle wrote:
https://dailycaller.com/2015/04/22/flashback-1970-earth-day-prof-predicted-a-super-ice-age-would-engulf-the-world/

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/04/22/failed-earth-day-predictions/

Intresting sources you have...........


What, if anything, is your point?

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Jul 4, 2019 06:56:18   #
gorgehiker Loc: Lexington, Ky
 
"I fully believe and know that the climate is changing. I also know that we, human beings, are contributing to it in a major way." - NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine

Members of the Flat Earth Society prefer to get their scientific information from conservative politicians and f****l f**l industry shills and will forever be misinformed with their heads (and other body parts) buried in the sand.

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Jul 4, 2019 09:22:18   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
gorgehiker wrote:
"I fully believe and know that the climate is changing. I also know that we, human beings, are contributing to it in a major way." - NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine

Members of the Flat Earth Society prefer to get their scientific information from conservative politicians and f****l f**l industry shills and will forever be misinformed with their heads (and other body parts) buried in the sand.


And what was his position before he needed Goremon v**es in Congress?

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Jul 4, 2019 11:17:20   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
John_F wrote:
Not being an advanced trained geologist I would know where the chart came from. But from my one geology course, the conclusions would come from inspections of geologic formation for presence of fossils. It was only after the Cambrian that sedimentary rocks occurred. This would imply that oxygen and water developed and chemically eroded the igneous rocks of the Cambrian. This information might be findable in numerous Introductory Geology text books. How do you know that facts have not been proven?
Not being an advanced trained geologist I would kn... (show quote)


Well....for one, there is no such scientific study, using scientific rigor, that support the GWT as put out there by the f*****t progressive movement, period.

There is speculation and hypothesis, a lot of alarmist squealing, a global want to redistribute the wealth of first world nations, a neglect of current facts, and a bunch of computer models that are populated to give a specific result.

There is also lying and manipulation of data.

This from J. Hinderaker:

“This is how NASA uses its magic wand of fudging to turn past cooling into (f**e) warming.

The post includes a number of examples, animated GIFs that show how the temperatures originally recorded in a given locale have been changed by NASA to create an alleged warming trend. Here is just one, Marquette, Michigan, from 1880 to 2018, where NASA has “turned a slightly cooling trend into a robust warming trend.”



Much more at the link. The bottom line is that surface temperature data have been hopelessly corrupted by partisans, and can’t be trusted to show temperature trends. The only data that are publicly available, t***sparent and reliable are the satellite readings that go back, as I recall, to 1979.”



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Jul 4, 2019 11:21:18   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
gorgehiker wrote:
"I fully believe and know that the climate is changing. I also know that we, human beings, are contributing to it in a major way." - NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine

Members of the Flat Earth Society prefer to get their scientific information from conservative politicians and f****l f**l industry shills and will forever be misinformed with their heads (and other body parts) buried in the sand.


So you got a guy who quotes your dogma.

Try this:
From 25 NASA scientists:

Here's the 500 million year GEOCARB CO2 graph.  Time 0 is today at 380ppm.  It's the lowest point on the graph all the way to the left.  The 1st smaller peak is the dinosaur era at 1000-2200ppm.  And the large peak is the Cambrian explosion which was the most prolific creation event for animals in history at greater than 7000ppm.  Al Gore and the f**e scientists want you to believe that CO2 going from 350ppm to 380ppm over 180 years is life threatening.  They should study this graph.  Because the most prolific times ever for animal and plant life were during periods where CO2 was dramatically higher than today.  It's b/c plants need CO2 for food.  And the more plants grow, the more animals grow.  That is the evidence.   It's pretty simple.



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Jul 4, 2019 11:56:14   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
I meant to say “would not know”.

John_F wrote:
Not being an advanced trained geologist I would know where the chart came from.

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Jul 4, 2019 12:08:39   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Cykdelic wrote:
So you got a guy who quotes your dogma.

Try this:
From 25 NASA scientists:

Here's the 500 million year GEOCARB CO2 graph.  Time 0 is today at 380ppm.  It's the lowest point on the graph all the way to the left.  The 1st smaller peak is the dinosaur era at 1000-2200ppm.  And the large peak is the Cambrian explosion which was the most prolific creation event for animals in history at greater than 7000ppm.  Al Gore and the f**e scientists want you to believe that CO2 going from 350ppm to 380ppm over 180 years is life threatening.  They should study this graph.  Because the most prolific times ever for animal and plant life were during periods where CO2 was dramatically higher than today.  It's b/c plants need CO2 for food.  And the more plants grow, the more animals grow.  That is the evidence.   It's pretty simple.
So you got a guy who quotes your dogma. br br Try... (show quote)

That is CO2. Now plot temperature and animal population over the same timeline. Such conditions may be good for plants but may be disastrous for mammals.

I am not refuting your graph data but simply saying it is only part of the story. Florida may not have been above water back then.

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Jul 4, 2019 12:21:52   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Cykdelic wrote:
So you got a guy who quotes your dogma.

Try this:
From 25 NASA scientists:

Here's the 500 million year GEOCARB CO2 graph.  Time 0 is today at 380ppm.  It's the lowest point on the graph all the way to the left.  The 1st smaller peak is the dinosaur era at 1000-2200ppm.  And the large peak is the Cambrian explosion which was the most prolific creation event for animals in history at greater than 7000ppm.  Al Gore and the f**e scientists want you to believe that CO2 going from 350ppm to 380ppm over 180 years is life threatening.  They should study this graph.  Because the most prolific times ever for animal and plant life were during periods where CO2 was dramatically higher than today.  It's b/c plants need CO2 for food.  And the more plants grow, the more animals grow.  That is the evidence.   It's pretty simple.
So you got a guy who quotes your dogma. br br Try... (show quote)


Those dinosaurs really put it out 'eh.

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Jul 4, 2019 15:12:43   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
gorgehiker wrote:
"I fully believe and know that the climate is changing. I also know that we, human beings, are contributing to it in a major way." - NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine

Members of the Flat Earth Society prefer to get their scientific information from conservative politicians and f****l f**l industry shills and will forever be misinformed with their heads (and other body parts) buried in the sand.


Prove it, that’s all we ask...

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Jul 5, 2019 00:23:38   #
gorgehiker Loc: Lexington, Ky
 
Florida will be under water and you will still be asking for proof.

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