Maybe photographers have been short changed on camera stability: This topic came out of great post by a wonderful photographer. What are the advantages of photographing handheld? John...

Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA

This topic came out of great post by a wonderful photographer.
What are the advantages of photographing handheld? John Gerlach

Working in video and film as a producer an art director I have seen new
inventions for "indie" "documentary" kinds of video shot like films.
Where is the gimbals and stabilizers and technology that has advanced
in video and film making. Shouldn't you great photographer have the
tools to shoot stills while using a device used for pans and tilts in film.
Scan the area you want. Lock the frame or maybe adjust on the run.
Again I do believe their are creative shots in film frames too.
We used to call that approach grab shooting. i am good at that. Sometimes.
Maybe this challenges the approach to getting the shot. A news shooter
shoots a series over and over hoping to get the right frame or frames.
Bresson sort of did this all the time.

Quixdraw Loc: x

Haven't done movies or video in decades, mostly don't watch either. What you are talking about
"Shouldn't you great photographer have the tools to shoot stills while using a device used for pans and tilts in film. Scan the area you want. Lock the frame or maybe adjust on the run." Is what skilled photographers accomplish with their cameras, their skills and their physical selves and do to this day - film or digital. Won't comment on movie or video.

f8lee Loc: New Mexico

I always thought a fundamental difference between movies (and video) and still shots is that, with the former, no single image captured is particularly clear, or at least not clearly defined enough to make a decent still print. For moving images, that never mattered because at a 24 or 30 or whatever frame rate the human eye cannot distinguish those kinds of details. But if you were to take a frame from a 35MM movie film shoot and enlarge it, wouldn’t that be pretty bad as a print? And is the same true for video (analog or digital)? That part I don’t know, but I suspect is the case.

As a result of that technical issue, I daresay that gimbals and stabilizers etc. might be good enough to handle the job for video, but cannot give the rock-solid stability required for stills which might be enlarged substantially.

On the other hand, perhaps the reason is just inertia in the different fields, where something common in one never ported over to the other.

BebuLamar

Gimbal and stabilizer designed for motion pictures doesn't eliminate hand shake or motion blur. They do well in keeping the frame steady and not moving around. The kind of movements that make you sick when watching video without them.

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

Yes, isn’t this why stills photographers shot images during film production to be used for advertising and promotion...

f8lee wrote:

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RRS Loc: Not sure

Canon has done a pretty good job with the 1DXMK2 in regards to shooting video. You can pull a frame at 6 megapixels and print a very well defined and sharp image. Very good point brought out that in days of old still photographers were required to shoot all of the advertising posters for the movies. Using IS (image stabilization) and shooting BIF at 14 FPS off a video head works for me. I don't feel short changed at all. My keeper rate isn't at 98% that is claimed by some but is still fun and challenging. If it was that easy then everyone would be doing it.

Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA

Yes i figured i would get these kind of good reactions. I understand.
But thier are cameras today that can shoot video most of the frames
are good for stills.
One great comment in the forums was using a tripod was like having
a sword fight. Thanks for the feedback.

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

Actually it is an 8.8mp grab from 4K video I believe. There is some good I information on doing it with examples online.

Here is a sample... https://snapshot.canon-asia.com/article/en/eos-1d-x-mark-ii-4k-frame-grab-hands-on-review-and-tips

RRS wrote:

Canon has done a pretty good job with the 1DXMK2 i... (show quote)

RRS Loc: Not sure

Notorious T.O.D. wrote:

Actually it is an 8.8mp grab from 4K video I believe. There is some good I information on doing it with examples online.

Here is a sample... https://snapshot.canon-asia.com/article/en/eos-1d-x-mark-ii-4k-frame-grab-hands-on-review-and-tips

Thanks for the correction, haven't had my first cup of coffee yet, still early on this side.

Kaib795 Loc: Maryland, USA

I don't have a IBIS camera and rarely use VR on my Nikon lenses. But if you are a movie guy, this is vital to making a better capture. IBIS is so much better now that it's going to make folks move to mirrorless cameras in a hurry but only if they have the lenses they need. I'm vested in cameras and lenses and may not go there unless I sell off much of what I own. The tease of taking shots at 1/10 of a second is incredible but a lass, I'm old and have all that's required for picture taking.

SDigger

Bresson had an original approach. He shot using a Leica with a 50mm Sumocron wide open at f/2. Everything else was up to his original way of seeing things. He influenced and inspired generations of street photographers.

Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA

I believe a some of Bresson's famous work is some blur in jumping over the puddle.
And I think that was part of the creativity. I see the press companies in Washington
and think the gear is archaic. And don't worry as long as the shutter clicking is their
the DSLR is alive and kicking. I think the lens and gear is too expensive and needs
to be sturdy causing less change.

Kaib795 Loc: Maryland, USA

Tomcat5133 wrote:

I believe a some of Bresson's famous work is some blur in jumping over the puddle.
And I think that was part of the creativity. I see the press companies in Washington
and think the gear is archaic. And don't worry as long as the shutter clicking is their
the DSLR is alive and kicking. I think the lens and gear is too expensive and needs
to be sturdy causing less change.

I agree and do wonder how sturdy are the ibis mirrorless cameras. I started taking pictures with a Nikon F and it was a tank. It also had a titanium shutter so the sun couldn't burn through it! LOL But the advent of ibis is very nice and those who hand hold will love it. I think Fujifilm's GFX100 is blessed with it (the first medium format camera to use it). You gotta wonder how well these cameras will take a fall? I'd like to see some tests done on them. But alas, all my cameras are standard DSLR's and I'm doing fine.

Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA

I never had a camera repair with my Nikon's and others. Accept when i dropped
my Nikon DSLR on a gravestone traveling. The back door was replaced. I recently
sold off off my old Nikon film bodies. One surprise me got $225 for a FM2 (think
that is right) Their batteries last. They fit my LCD for video and still work well.
I don't think their will be many camera's like these ever again.