That's one of the things I was saying. The D500 starts at 20 mps and when you crop it, it still has 20 mps.
PHRubin wrote:
Let us get technical for a moment.
The 2 cardinal shots were not made with the same conditions so are not a comparison of only cameras. I could see before I checked the EXIF data that the aperture used was different giving different "bokeh".
FX vs DX: FOR THE SAME MEGAPIXEL COUNT a DX will give more "reach".
However, cropping an FX down by 1/1.5 in height and width to get the same magnification reduces pixel count by 1/1.5²=0.44. That means that the FX sensor must have >2.25 (1/0.44) times the number of pixels so that its' cropped image will have more pixels than the DX.
Being a Canon user I can't comment on Nikon model performance.
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The D500 is 20.9mp in the DX (x1.5) format. The D850 (45.7mp) in DX mode is 19.4mp. A 1.5mp difference, so 7%, just enough to think about. The ratio is 2.19, so less than 2.25. Distance between pixels on the D500 is 4.22um. For the D850 it's 4.35um. That's a 3% difference. Given the AF and metering systems are virtually identical, most people won't notice the difference between the D500 and D850 in DX mode. So one might conclude, buy the D850 and you are getting a D850 and D500.
Reconvic wrote:
That's one of the things I was saying. The D500 starts at 20 mps and when you crop it, it still has 20 mps.
If that's what you meant I believe you are incorrect. When you crop you remove pixels.
For example, if you choose 1.3x crop in the menu, you are down to somewhere around 12mp. If you crop to that size in software, the result is the same.
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MT Shooter wrote:
Uhhhhhh, no!
uhhhhhh, yes! The D500 is a DX frame (crop camera) that starts at 20 mps and ends at 20 mps. That's why they say it has extra reach. When you crop it stays at 20 and a full frame (FX) camera you lose mps. On my D850 that starts at 46 mps, when I crop it goes down to 20.
Reconvic wrote:
If you're looking out your window or sitting on the porch waiting for a Cardinal or a Blue Jay to show up and sit still for a while then ANY of the aforementioned cameras will be fine. I can name 3 or 4 different types of bird actions that I wish I had a D500 instead of the D850.1. An osprey diving for a fish and flying off. 2.A least bittern perched and striking a minnow and withdrawing 3. A Purple Gallinule running/flying straight towards me then away. I would ask if any of these actions or similar BIFs are important?
I have all of such topics posted here and wonder if any of the advisors here are taking this type of photography into consideration.
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What, a D850 can't make those kinds of shots??? Really????????
martinfisherphoto wrote:
What, a D850 can't make those kinds of shots??? Really????????
Nope Martin, Definitely wasn't talking about the D850. I've made all those shots with a D850. I was comparing it to the OP camera choices.
Reconvic wrote:
Nope Martin, Definitely wasn't talking about the D850. I've made all those shots with a D850. I was comparing it to the OP camera choices.
Oh, OK, that I would ask before I posted some examples... Love my D850.
martinfisherphoto wrote:
What, a D850 can't make those kinds of shots??? Really????????
I do like that the D500 out of the box comes in at 10 fps and has a deeper buffer. I had to get a grip, a special battery and charger that only took me to 9 fps. The buffer is better on the D500 and the autofocus spread is better. I LOVE my D850 but all in all I think the D500 is better for BIFs and action shots.
All the comments are good. The D 500 is the fastest. But it comes down your skill and how you capture it. Steve Perry on this blog is one of the best. I have captured birds with a D 40. I have a D 7100 . I shoot planes, trains and automobiles.
Reconvic wrote:
uhhhhhh, yes! The D500 is a DX frame (crop camera) that starts at 20 mps and ends at 20 mps. That's why they say it has extra reach. When you crop it stays at 20 and a full frame (FX) camera you lose mps. On my D850 that starts at 46 mps, when I crop it goes down to 20.
Absolutely not. Cropping D500 images ALWAYS leads to smaller files! You cannon crop without throwing away pixels. Clearly you do not grasp the concept of "cropping"!
donald4u wrote:
All the comments are good. The D 500 is the fastest. But it comes down your skill and how you capture it. Steve Perry on this blog is one of the best. I have captured birds with a D 40. I have a D 7100 . I shoot planes, trains and automobiles.
Of course! Given the same skill set for all comparisons of cameras.
MT Shooter wrote:
Absolutely not. Cropping D500 images ALWAYS leads to smaller files! You cannon crop without throwing away pixels. Clearly you do not grasp the concept of "cropping"!
Then what is the advantage of having a crop (D500) over a full frame camera?
TrishV wrote:
I would love to hear your opinions as to which Nikon they think is the best for wildlife photography - the D750, D500 or the D810 - I am looking for another camera and can't decide which would work best so any thoughts you can give me would be appreciated. Thank you in advance.
Don't forget about the lens.
Reconvic wrote:
Then what is the advantage of having a crop (D500) over a full frame camera?
A DX camera only uses part of the image circle for a given focal length lens. It gives the illusion of having a longer lens. If you take a shot with the D500 and crop it you lose pixels.
I think I know what you a alluding to, but it is not what you are saying.
Comparing the D850 in DX mode gives you roughly the same image and number of pixels as the D500. But the D850 has more than twice as many pixels. So in full frame mode you could shoot a picture of a bird in flight where the bird winds up dead center - Yuk. You could then crop the image for better composition, losing pixels, and still have at least as many as the D500.
Up until recently many FF cameras had about the same number of pixels as a DX. FF cameras today, as the example above, make the DX camera not quite as attractive as in the past.
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