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Jun 27, 2019 17:06:05   #
gessman
 
Hi Linda. I posted these two threads in Main section a couple of days ago and they didn't make the daily list. Seeing Curmudgeon's hibiscus thread you posted in, I thought they might address a lot of questions I've seen lately, and indeed some I've had myself, regarding the hype surrounding the effectiveness of some recent pieces of software, especially Photolemur that has no ability for custom settings, and any other program that claim that default settings can "heal all wounds," and might be important enough to warrant more attention than they got casually passing through to oblivion. Thought I'd call them to your attention in case you didn't see them earlier and get your opinion as to whether or not they're significant enough for you to comment on.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-598020-1.html

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-598023-1.html

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Jun 27, 2019 17:19:06   #
Linda From Maine
 
I try to limit my forays into main discussion - for many reasons

Since you asked so nicely and since your topics didn't devolve into testosterone-fueled ego wars, I'll be happy to give my opinion.

Here we go: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-598023-1.html#10274719
Thanks!

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Jun 27, 2019 18:05:17   #
Cwilson341 (a regular here)
 
I may be wrong but I'm not aware that any of these programs promises to solve everything with just a click or two. Many programs offer an "auto adjust option" and sometimes these do pretty good and sometimes not. I don't see how any program can do that because the potential needs are vast.

I have no experience or knowledge of Photolemur so Im going to skip over it.

Many of the packages you mentioned have specific uses and are not intended to deal with all issues.

Affinity, like Photoshop, can deal with most any edit that is needed but it definitely takes knowledge of the program and knowledge of processing in general. I use Affinity regularly and find it to be outstanding but not without a learning curve.

The Topaz ai programs, Clear, Adjust, and Sharpen do specific things. I usually start with their auto adjustments, review the results and then adjust further if I feel it is needed. I find Sharpen ai does an excellent job at sharpening, reducing blur and the effects of camera motion. I've just starting experimenting with Adjust ai and it seems to add pop to a photo that has already had the basic adjustments. I believe ai Clear addresses both noise and sharpness.

I have Luminar but don't use it much. I think it is a pretty good program but I like Affinity and it's enough to learn one or the other. Luminar has an extensive set of pre-sets so it could be closest to one click if you find a present that works for you.

I've rattled on and I think there is actually a simple answer to all this. You get the return based on the effort you put into the project. There is no one size fits all in photo processing. You can get acceptable results direct from your camera or from minimal processing. But if you have a vision for your photo, you may have to work some to bring it to life.

I can't help think back to the days when I had to send everything out for processing (I never had a dark room). That was a take it or leave it situation and I am so thankful to now have the opportunity to make those decisions for myself!

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Jun 27, 2019 18:50:29   #
gessman
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-598023-1.html#10274719

However, IMO Carol's comments in this thread are far more relevant and worthwhile to consider.


Well, Ok, that's that then. Done! Thank you.

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Jun 27, 2019 20:42:45   #
gessman
 
Cwilson341 wrote:
I may be wrong but I'm not aware that any of these programs promises to solve everything with just a click or two. Many programs offer an "auto adjust option" and sometimes these do pretty good and sometimes not. I don't see how any program can do that because the potential needs are vast.

I have no experience or knowledge of Photolemur so Im going to skip over it.

Many of the packages you mentioned have specific uses and are not intended to deal with all issues.

Affinity, like Photoshop, can deal with most any edit that is needed but it definitely takes knowledge of the program and knowledge of processing in general. I use Affinity regularly and find it to be outstanding but not without a learning curve.

The Topaz ai programs, Clear, Adjust, and Sharpen do specific things. I usually start with their auto adjustments, review the results and then adjust further if I feel it is needed. I find Sharpen ai does an excellent job at sharpening, reducing blur and the effects of camera motion. I've just starting experimenting with Adjust ai and it seems to add pop to a photo that has already had the basic adjustments. I believe ai Clear addresses both noise and sharpness.

I have Luminar but don't use it much. I think it is a pretty good program but I like Affinity and it's enough to learn one or the other. Luminar has an extensive set of pre-sets so it could be closest to one click if you find a present that works for you.

I've rattled on and I think there is actually a simple answer to all this. You get the return based on the effort you put into the project. There is no one size fits all in photo processing. You can get acceptable results direct from your camera or from minimal processing. But if you have a vision for your photo, you may have to work some to bring it to life.

I can't help think back to the days when I had to send everything out for processing (I never had a dark room). That was a take it or leave it situation and I am so thankful to now have the opportunity to make those decisions for myself!
I may be wrong but I'm not aware that any of these... (show quote)


Photolemur, the first program labeled AI has only one slider - for intensity. Skylum, makers of Luminar and Aurora HDR bought out Photolemur so they could learn AI programming to allow them to incorporate more of it in their software and have alleged started doing so. Photolemur seems to have done as good a job of sharpening my original as did ClearAI or SharpenAI and AdjustAI while it went way too cool with my image also looks to be sharper than either ClearAI or SharpenAI. There are other issues similar to that but I won't go into them further at this time.

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Jun 28, 2019 18:07:58   #
gessman
 
Cwilson341 wrote:
I may be wrong but I'm not aware that any of these programs promises to solve everything with just a click or two. Many programs offer an "auto adjust option" and sometimes these do pretty good and sometimes not. I don't see how any program can do that because the potential needs are vast.

I have no experience or knowledge of Photolemur so Im going to skip over it.

Many of the packages you mentioned have specific uses and are not intended to deal with all issues.

Affinity, like Photoshop, can deal with most any edit that is needed but it definitely takes knowledge of the program and knowledge of processing in general. I use Affinity regularly and find it to be outstanding but not without a learning curve.

The Topaz ai programs, Clear, Adjust, and Sharpen do specific things. I usually start with their auto adjustments, review the results and then adjust further if I feel it is needed. I find Sharpen ai does an excellent job at sharpening, reducing blur and the effects of camera motion. I've just starting experimenting with Adjust ai and it seems to add pop to a photo that has already had the basic adjustments. I believe ai Clear addresses both noise and sharpness.

I have Luminar but don't use it much. I think it is a pretty good program but I like Affinity and it's enough to learn one or the other. Luminar has an extensive set of pre-sets so it could be closest to one click if you find a present that works for you.

I've rattled on and I think there is actually a simple answer to all this. You get the return based on the effort you put into the project. There is no one size fits all in photo processing. You can get acceptable results direct from your camera or from minimal processing. But if you have a vision for your photo, you may have to work some to bring it to life.

I can't help think back to the days when I had to send everything out for processing (I never had a dark room). That was a take it or leave it situation and I am so thankful to now have the opportunity to make those decisions for myself!
I may be wrong but I'm not aware that any of these... (show quote)


Not that it's important or even significant but with regard to your opening comment above, here is what Topaz sent out about Adjust AI in their initial announcement a few days ago:

"With just one click, Topaz Adjust AI leverages the power of artificial intelligence to transform your photos into something incredible.

Our AI-powered modes bring out colors, shadows, details, and more to make your photos as vivid as intended—all in one step.

Whether you're a pro-photographer looking to speed up workflow,
or a beginner that doesn't want to spend hours learning how to edit photos, Adjust AI can make your photos pop."


Admittedly, I overlooked that in the last version Photolemur added in a few other features one can select such as face enhancement and also five or so selections that permit you to affect color and other things but there's no sliders - you tell it you want the color adjusted and it does it from here on "auto pilot."

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Jun 28, 2019 19:20:39   #
Cwilson341 (a regular here)
 
gessman wrote:
Not that it's important or even significant but with regard to your opening comment above, here is what Topaz sent out about Adjust AI in their initial announcement a few days ago:

"With just one click, Topaz Adjust AI leverages the power of artificial intelligence to transform your photos into something incredible.

Our AI-powered modes bring out colors, shadows, details, and more to make your photos as vivid as intended—all in one step.

Whether you're a pro-photographer looking to speed up workflow,
or a beginner that doesn't want to spend hours learning how to edit photos, Adjust AI can make your photos pop."


Admittedly, I overlooked that in the last version Photolemur added in a few other features one can select such as face enhancement and also five or so selections that permit you to affect color and other things but there's no sliders - you tell it you want the color adjusted and it does it from here on "auto pilot."
Not that it's important or even significant but wi... (show quote)


I was using AI Adjust today and saw a similar statement. I used it on a couple of already processed images and I do feel that one or two of the presents made significant improvements with just one click.

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Jun 28, 2019 19:43:50   #
gessman
 
Cwilson341 wrote:
I was using AI Adjust today and saw a similar statement. I used it on a couple of already processed images and I do feel that one or two of the presents made significant improvements with just one click.


Yep, just one little click, depending on what that one little click is on. Looks like it's going to be interesting, the future of coming software. This may be a breakthrough. Thanks for your comments.

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