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Jun 26, 2019 13:50:04   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
SonyA580 wrote:
Calibrating a Laptop monitor is questionable because the screen angle affects the contrast and color saturation and it is almost impossible to replicate the exact angle every time.


I believe that a little plastic protractor could replicate the screen angle within necessary tolerances.

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Jun 26, 2019 14:07:43   #
BebuLamar
 
SonyA580 wrote:
Calibrating a Laptop monitor is questionable because the screen angle affects the contrast and color saturation and it is almost impossible to replicate the exact angle every time.


Laptop or desktop monitors are the same. Lower end ones affected by screen angle a lot. Better ones not so much. So even for desktop you still look at the screen at different angles from time to time.

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Jun 26, 2019 16:18:30   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
Trying to colour calibrate a laptop screen (even if using an external or addon screen) is just wishfull thinking. You might get something that might be usable if you have paid $5000 for it. Possibly you will have better luck if you have a high end Mac. If your work absolutely means you must make it work then realise there are problems and you will have to work around them.
A desktop, for the same money, will be faster and allows you to have better graphics cards, storage and screens. You cannot do this with a laptop. Wasting your time trying.

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Jun 26, 2019 16:29:05   #
G Brown Loc: Sunny Bognor Regis West Sussex UK
 
burkphoto wrote:
How cynical.

As a former digital products manager of a huge school portrait lab, I can assure you that there ARE standards. It just takes time, patience, knowledge, and diligence to implement them.

We had 40 mini labs, two large format silver halide printers, three 44” Epsons, 18 ID Card printers, a NexPress, two Konica-Minolta high speed digital electrostatic color printer/copiers, and nine color-matched reference monitors in the color correction department.

Everything was color managed with custom ICC profiles. The Epsons were “dumbed down” to the much narrower color gamuts of the Noritsu mini labs, via simulation profiles.

No, everything was not a *perfect* match. But we used statistical process control and kept all devices within a reasonably rigid range of deviation (+/- 2 points from aim on any primary color, with no more than a 3 point spread between colors).

That was ONLY possible with calibration and profiling.

Before implementing color management practices, we wasted over 15% of our paper, chemistry, and labor on remakes. That dropped to 5.6% afterwards. Since we bought two 53’ truckloads of paper each fall... that was a HUGE savings.

Our monitor cal kit cost $250. Our printer cal kit was a few thousand. They paid for themselves almost instantly!

Yes, many people have uncalibrated monitors. But “studies show” that images color corrected on calibrated monitors consistently look better on UNcalibrated monitors than images improperly corrected on other uncalibrated monitors.

Out of the box, most Apple devices and some other premium brands are quite well-corrected. But the moment a user starts pushing buttons without a calibration tool kit involved, things get ugly.
How cynical. br br As a former digital products ... (show quote)



As a professional printer (and probably well funded) manipulating images daily...I imagine your workflow and your kit would be far and beyond the average photographer's budget.
Your work was aimed at a single market, mass school portraits, no doubt using photographers trained - and equipped for that single function. Again hardly your average photographer taking whatever suits their whim.

Colour, is in the eye of the beholder....it isn't always 'comparable' shot to shot. We have no production line - nor a 'standard image' to produce.

Cynical....no.. realistic!

Those who use monitor calibration, check and adjust it regularly. It has never been a 'one hit' job.

Those who print regularly will insist on using the same grade of paper and inks. OR a small palette of different papers. They will also have fine tuned their workflow to meet their particular needs. They will take as much care as possible over 'the few final images' with their 'end user' in mind. Their printed image may or may not 'look anything like' their monitor portrays it. As a print, it cannot be reproduced on another monitor!

For the amateur, having the ability to print their own images, means that they need to understand 'why' what they print or post looks different to what their monitor shows. To suggest that 'even more kit' is the answer begs the questions:
'Why is it important?'.
'Is it important enough to spend the cost of a couple of sheets of paper and a bit more time and consistency in production to get better prints?'

Image quality 'on line' depends upon too many variables to suggest that spending a couple of hundred ££'s is the answer.

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Jun 26, 2019 17:11:50   #
Canisdirus
 
If color accuracy is important to you .... really important .... you will purchase a monitor designed for photography.
Monitors in general are a jack of all trades component.
The makers know many of them are for gaming, or data ...and design along those lines.
Some monitors simply are not capable of rendering a photo with serious accuracy.
Typically, you get what you pay for ... monitors are no exception.

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Jun 26, 2019 18:14:15   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Laptop or desktop monitors are the same. Lower end ones affected by screen angle a lot. Better ones not so much. So even for desktop you still look at the screen at different angles from time to time.


TRUE. WITH A LAPTOP SCREEN YOU WANT IT AT A 90
DEGREE ANGLE TO YOUR LINE OF SIGHT, AND WITH
YOU LOOKING AT IT CENTERED ON THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN..

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Jun 26, 2019 18:25:02   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
aellman wrote:
TRUE. WITH A LAPTOP SCREEN YOU WANT IT AT A 90
DEGREE ANGLE TO YOUR LINE OF SIGHT, AND WITH
YOU LOOKING AT IT CENTERED ON THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN..


Please turn off Cap Lock 🙀

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Jun 26, 2019 19:28:41   #
rfmaude41 Loc: Lancaster, Texas (DFW area)
 
SonyA580 wrote:
Calibrating a Laptop monitor is questionable because the screen angle affects the contrast and color saturation and it is almost impossible to replicate the exact angle every time.


Only if it's TFS, older tchnology (non-ITF); both of mine are ITF and have +- 170 degrees of view.

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Jun 26, 2019 20:12:30   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
ggab wrote:
The issue is inconsistency not only over time, but across the screen.
You can calibrate the cheaper monitor, however the settings will not hold so you are constantly calibrating.

Frankly, it's not worth it IMHO.
Talk with a person who does color management for a living and they will laugh at you.
I am not laughing, just saying as I was laughed at when I asked.


I managed the color correction and digital printing departments of a portrait lab for five years. I did color management for a living.

Yes, we used excellent monitors in color correction. But we also calibrated and profiled many lesser monitors. They looked far better than before we did that. That was important when a half million dollar account visited the lab!

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Jun 27, 2019 00:28:31   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
SonyA580 wrote:
Calibrating a Laptop monitor is questionable because the screen angle affects the contrast and color saturation and it is almost impossible to replicate the exact angle every time.


That is correct.
Being a portable gadget, ambient lighting will also be an issue.

External color calibration is needed only if someone requires so see an accurate reproduction for printing.
Generally, just using the normal video card adjustments can also produce favorable results if printing guides/colors bars are included in the file.

In reality, very few computers screens in the wild are calibrated, if the images are to be only shown in those computers, calibration is moot.

In essence, calibration is a mission specific step. It matters most only if the person is going to have images quality printed or shown in another calibrated screen.

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Jun 27, 2019 00:43:30   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
BebuLamar wrote:
These are the ones that compatible.
My question is that if I pay for the higher price one do I get better accuracy since I don't use the software that came with the "puck"

• NEC MDSVSENSOR3
• NEC SpectraSensor Pro
• X-Rite i1Pro and i1Monitor
• X-Rite i1Pro2
• X-Rite i1Studio
• X-Rite ColorMunki *
• X-Rite i1Display Pro
• Datacolor Spyder3
• Datacolor Spyder4
• Datacolor Spyder5
• BasICColor Discus
• Photo Research PR-655, 670, 680, 730, and 740 Spectroradiometers
These are the ones that compatible. br My questio... (show quote)


Best action would be to contact the manufacturer. They will give you the best answer.

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Jun 27, 2019 00:52:10   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
G Brown wrote:
Probably, only photographers calibrate their PC so when putting your images onto the internet what is the point.
Studies have shown that the companies that produce prints for the general public - produce markedly different prints of the same image sent to them.
Unless you use the same paper and ink consistently, you will get differences in the printed image. Also if you use a different program to print you will see differences.
If you use a single image in more than one Post processing program they can look different both on screen and when printed.
Depending upon the intensity of the light in the room and the brightness of the PC screen 'what you see' is not going to be 'what you get.'

We talk about 'Individuality' in photography. We also Post process images to individual tastes. There is no 'standard'.

The advice is to print an image and reprocess the file to correct any discrepancies in the first printed image. As part of your workflow ensure consistency in paper used, ink supplied, and which program you use to 'send to printer'. Look at your printed image in soft daylight (early morning or late afternoon).

You will gain recognition from people who 'like' what your images look like - not how they got there.

have fun
Probably, only photographers calibrate their PC so... (show quote)


Tell that to the anorak among us but really well said, that is a very practical approach to the issue at hand.
Speaking thru experience, even with calibrated monitors, we still make color proofing a step towards the final output.

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Jun 27, 2019 16:11:09   #
AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio
 
SonyA580 wrote:
Calibrating a Laptop monitor is questionable because the screen angle affects the contrast and color saturation and it is almost impossible to replicate the exact angle every time.



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Jul 1, 2019 09:14:19   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
SonyA580 wrote:
Calibrating a Laptop monitor is questionable because the screen angle affects the contrast and color saturation and it is almost impossible to replicate the exact angle every time.


This may have been true in the past, but today it's not hard to find a laptop with an IPS display, which, like many current desktop displays, has an extremely wide viewing angle.

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