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In Homage to Manet's "Olympia"
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Jun 17, 2019 08:48:09   #
Stephan G
 
Timmers wrote:
Play bill? More trolling.

It's a discussion group and I did not drag out commercialism nor the analogy to wine, so I will take that this is directed to Firm. It is also rather odd your reference to making wine, which has nothing to do with the original post, assuming that you make wine as a creative endeavor, due to the repeal of that old amendment about spirits, I do say 'Bully' to you for your efforts to create a thing of personal beauty, yet still it does nothing to add to the original posters efforts to create and post their visual creation to a forum on that of visual expression.
Play bill? More trolling. br br It's a discussio... (show quote)


"Watch were you step." An age old Farmer's warning.




You forget that we can only take comments at face value. So there is no need to be myopic. Read the entire comment before latching onto your non-sequitur.

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Jun 17, 2019 08:50:42   #
Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.
 
Stephan G wrote:
It is the "common man", in numbers, that vindicates the Art.

As someone made the quip within earshot. "It is a pity that the dead artist cannot speak about their creation."


Heads up, the common man's 'vindication', either as one or 'in numbers' has nothing to do with the making of art or why artists make art. The arts and artists need nary a nod from the common man. What needs the nod are bureaucrats, be they in government, Wall Street or Museums and galleries. Go see an artist in a studio sometime and listen to what they speak of that moves that creative energy forward.

I know, you guys love compare and contrast, so here goes in rather pedestrian terms: The medical corps does not need the military, the military needs the medical corps. Artists do not need the public, the public needs the artist. I hope that is simplistic enough for some out there to get.

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Jun 17, 2019 09:01:20   #
Stephan G
 
Timmers wrote:
Heads up, the common man's 'vindication', either as one or 'in numbers' has nothing to do with the making of art or why artists make art. The arts and artists need nary a nod from the common man. What needs the nod are bureaucrats, be they in government, Wall Street or Museums and galleries. Go see an artist in a studio sometime and listen to what they speak of that moves that creative energy forward.

I know, you guys love compare and contrast, so here goes in rather pedestrian terms: The medical corps does not need the military, the military needs the medical corps. Artists do not need the public, the public needs the artist. I hope that is simplistic enough for some out there to get.
Heads up, the common man's 'vindication', either a... (show quote)




"And all pedestrians need crossing lights!"

FWIW, the "medical" corps is a part of the military, not a separate entity. Just like the USMC is still part of the USN(avy).

Pretension, a game, is not even worth a Parlor Sou.


For the record, the photograph at the top is a great work on its own merits, homage or no.

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Jun 17, 2019 10:57:36   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Timmers wrote:
Artists do not need the public, the public needs the artist. I hope that is simplistic enough for some out there to get.
For the starving artist doing art as a hobby, I would agree; if the artist depends on selling his art to make a living I would say the customer is always right.

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Jun 17, 2019 11:51:36   #
Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.
 
Stephan G wrote:


"And all pedestrians need crossing lights!"

FWIW, the "medical" corps is a part of the military, not a separate entity. Just like the USMC is still part of the USN(avy).

Pretension, a game, is not even worth a Parlor Sou.


For the record, the photograph at the top is a great work on its own merits, homage or no.
img src="https://static.uglyhedgehog.com/images/s... (show quote)


Weak. If you will take but a moment and understand that in the United States military there is the Medical Corp. The core center of that body are doctors. Doctors have taken an absolute oath (beyond that of the Constitutional oath) which is the Hippocratic Oath, the core of which is simply "Do no harm". That is why the Medical Corp is attached to the military and is essentially outside any and all branches of the US military. I know it seems simplistic yet a doctor must do no harm and so are not armed and are charged to not bear arms of any and all types. The structure of the rest of the military is to do harm, it is what they are trained and armed to do. Thus the rather simplistic statement that the Medical Corp does not need the military, the military needs the Medical Corp.

Yes, the Medical Corp is a part of the military. Lets digress for illustration to a factual example. In the mid 1960's President Nixon issued an order that all Medical Corp personnel, including doctors would show proficiency with side arms like any other military officer. This created a rather difficult problem with the doctors at Fort Ord in California. After deliberation between the Colonel commanding the Dental Clinic and the Main Hospital it was decided that refusing an order from the president was not a good idea. So Colonial Joseph Summa, Commander of the Dental Clinic took all his officer/doctors to the firing range and fired 45 side arms directly into the sand in front of the firing line. They ALL received proficiency of zeros.

Don't think Joe was so smart, it was my mother his wife Thelma that came up with the strategy (yea, he was my father, and he grew up hunting for animals during the Depression years). The main hospital doctors/officers went the next day and they all received proficiencies of zero also. Nixon got the message and rescinded the order soon after.

I hope this helps to clarify what I had original presented. For the record I never said the Medical Corp was NOT part of the military. I also never said that the OP work was good or bad, merely that I wondered at it's states as an 'homage', it is possible to be more than a homage, but that decision would rest with the creator of the work. placing a title on an art work is never to be taken lightly. So if this is truly a discussion of an art work then that is what I was involving myself with. The rest is history and up to discussion and I really am done with this side line circus.

"Catch Time, Make Art".

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Jun 17, 2019 11:51:59   #
Stephan G
 
dhroberts wrote:
The model is Nicole Vaunt.


https://www.shltrip.com/Grounds_for_Sculpture.html

A version by Seward Johnson of Manet's work is wonderfully done, to be found roughly half way down scroll.

Again, it can be seen the care given to pay homage in the above photograph.

Quick query. What was Nicole's feeling about the final image? Just curious.

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Jun 17, 2019 11:55:35   #
Stephan G
 
Timmers wrote:
Weak. If you will take but a moment and understand that in the United States military there is the Medical Corp. The core center of that body are doctors. Doctors have taken an absolute oath (beyond that of the Constitutional oath) which is the Hippocratic Oath, the core of which is simply "Do no harm". That is why the Medical Corp is attached to the military and is essentially outside any and all branches of the US military. I know it seems simplistic yet a doctor must do no harm and so are not armed and are charged to not bear arms of any and all types. The structure of the rest of the military is to do harm, it is what they are trained and armed to do. Thus the rather simplistic statement that the Medical Corp does not need the military, the military needs the Medical Corp.

Yes, the Medical Corp is a part of the military. Lets digress for illustration to a factual example. In the mid 1960's President Nixon issued an order that all Medical Corp personnel, including doctors would show proficiency with side arms like any other military officer. This created a rather difficult problem with the doctors at Fort Ord in California. After deliberation between the Colonel commanding the Dental Clinic and the Main Hospital it was decided that refusing an order from the president was not a good idea. So Colonial Joseph Summa, Commander of the Dental Clinic took all his officer/doctors to the firing range and fired 45 side arms directly into the sand in front of the firing line. They ALL received proficiency of zeros.

Don't think Joe was so smart, it was my mother his wife Thelma that came up with the strategy (yea, he was my father, and he grew up hunting for animals during the Depression years). The main hospital doctors/officers went the next day and they all received proficiencies of zero also. Nixon got the message and rescinded the order soon after.

I hope this helps to clarify what I had original presented. For the record I never said the Medical Corp was NOT part of the military. I also never said that the OP work was good or bad, merely that I wondered at it's states as an 'homage', it is possible to be more than a homage, but that decision would rest with the creator of the work. placing a title on an art work is never to be taken lightly. So if this is truly a discussion of an art work then that is what I was involving myself with. The rest is history and up to discussion and I really am done with this side line circus.

"Catch Time, Make Art".
Weak. If you will take but a moment and understand... (show quote)


Not worth the cost of the electrons.

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