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Jun 16, 2019 18:43:08   #
Angmo
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
What does this tell you about ShutterC****e?


Or him, it is not a matter of reading a book. He needs to seek an education first.

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Jun 16, 2019 18:49:30   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Rule of Law and trump don't belong in the same sentence!

He is ignoring all of the duly issued subpoenas that have been issued by Congress.

He's telling everyone who received a subpoena to ignore them.

He's using the United States Attorney General as his personal lawyer to block all investigations into his Obstruction of Justice as documented in the Mueller Report.

Every action trump has taken to block the release of documents or testimony since the Mueller Report was released will be additional charges of Obstruction of Justice added to the 10 that Mueller identified in his Report.

The trump inaugural still owes at least $7M to the City of Washington, DC. Until that bill is paid, there shouldn't be any trump speech on July 4th.

Payments are are due for the following for campaign rallies: $65K to Spokane, WA; $470K to El Paso, TX: $16,191 to Lebanon, OH; $787,219 combined to the cities of Burlington, VT, Green Bay & Eau Claire, Wisconsin, and Mesa, AZ.

Erue, PA, Billings, MT, and Tucson, AZ are also looking for payment from the trump campaign for security at trump campaign rallies.

As usual, trump is ignoring the invoices that were sent to his campaign for services rendered. Where has all of the money that trump has been raising been going if it's not paying the bills that he owes?
Rule of Law and trump don't belong in the same sen... (show quote)


Obama also ignored many subpoenas issued to him by Congress. This is nothing new. You are going hog wild and crazy over something other Presidents have done and you have decided it is only bad because Trump is doing it now. Get over yourself. Wait and see what happens. All of this is what SCOTUS is for.

Holy Crap!!! Obama used Eric Holder as his own personal attorney too. Holder even said he was the President's Wingman. You really need to pay attention.

Wh**ever is added to the Mueller report is up to the court system to say whether or not it is a crime or not. So far all you are saying is exactly what you Left Wingers has said for the past two years, Trump is going down, corrupt, criminal and so on but in the end, Mueller and especially you got NOTHING but hopes that he might be convicted of something.

Trump is not going against the Constitution anymore than any other President has done. Think of Obama who want against the Constitution with his DACA decision. Did you forget that? Apparently you and millions of other Left Wingers did just that, forgot. You always seem to forget what your L*****t heroes have done. Consider Obama and Eric Holder selling assault weapons to the Mexican drug cartel. Imagine that, a sitting U.S. President and his Attorney General selling assault weapons to foreign government criminals. When Obama and Holder were questioned on the charges it was Obama who promptly filed the records as sealed and refused to answer questions. Yet you tell us it was Trump who is going against the Constitution. Yeah, RIGHT.

Dennis

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Jun 16, 2019 18:52:23   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Exactly right.

How DO these Trump h**ers seem to forget these important points in history. More to the point, how do they think WE will forget. Most of these things are on video such as Obama telling Americans the Russians are not hacking into our e******n system. Sure Obama, Right.

Dennis

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Jun 16, 2019 20:39:16   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
NYT REPORTER: OBAMA WH OFFICIALS IGNORED SUBPOENAS TOO

https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/28/nyt-obama-wh-officials-ignored-subpoenas/

Not to the high volume that the trump administration is ignoring them!

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Jun 16, 2019 20:57:59   #
Angmo
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Not to the high volume that the trump administration is ignoring them!


Mueller went home already. Lefties are sore losers. As usual.

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Jun 16, 2019 21:15:07   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Not to the high volume that the trump administration is ignoring them!


One or a million, Obama is just the same. Remember that we are told Obama had a scandal free administration. That is true IF you ignore numerous corrupt moments throughout his entire 8 years.

Dennis

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Jun 16, 2019 21:29:03   #
Angmo
 
Happy father’s day kkklinton.



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Jun 16, 2019 21:33:50   #
btbg
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
I did NOT say that I wanted to ban all guns.

My comment was that there was no longer a need for a M*****a.

Go back and read my post a little more carefully.

Hand guns for personal protect with the capacity of 6-8 rounds, or long guns used for hunting food should be allowed.

But repealing or revising an out of date Amendment should be looked at, as repealing an Amendment has been several times in our past history.

Your idol wants to completely ignore the Constitution, and all of the laws of our country to become a dictator.
I did NOT say that I wanted to ban all guns. br ... (show quote)


repealing amendments has been done, but not repealing any portion of the Bill of Rights. That has not been done. And if you read Jefferson and others you will see that the reason for the second amendment was to protect citizens from an out of control government. That can not happen if the government has automatic weapons and citizens aren't even allowed to have semiautomatic weapons.

However, the bigger issue is that liberals exaggerate and distort the actual figures of gun violence. The last year that we have accurate weapons for approximately 32,000 died in gun deaths. Of those 60 percent are suicides That leaves 12,800. Of those another 3 percent are accidental deaths. That takes it down to approximately 12,400 deaths. Of those between 60 to 80 percent are gang related shootings in inner cities. If we take the 60 percent figure to be conservative that means that leaves under 5,000. If you take the 80 percent figure for gang murders then there are under 2,500 other gun deaths in the country.

The vast majority of the gang related shootings are by people who already can't legally own guns, so banning guns will do nothing to stop those deaths. Banning guns will also not stop the suicides. People don't tend to use semiautomatic rifles for suicides, so allowing the guns that you say you are willing to continue to allow won't stop any of those deaths. That means that there are approximately 2,500 deaths per year that should even be relevant to any gun control debate, a far cry from the 32,000 and up cited by gun control advocates.

By last report following New Zealand passing their new gun control law and attempting to buy back the newly illegal guns they have only had 580 guns turned in. The law they passed in the name of public safety will do nothing to stop another crazy Australian from doing another mass shooting in New Zealand, but they have successfully made thousands of their own citizens into felons for refusing to turn in their guns.

Is that what you really want? Criminalize individuals who have been law abiding citizens, while gang members continue to use illegal guns with impunity.

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Jun 16, 2019 21:36:00   #
Angmo
 
btbg wrote:
repealing amendments has been done, but not repealing any portion of the Bill of Rights. That has not been done. And if you read Jefferson and others you will see that the reason for the second amendment was to protect citizens from an out of control government. That can not happen if the government has automatic weapons and citizens aren't even allowed to have semiautomatic weapons.

However, the bigger issue is that liberals exaggerate and distort the actual figures of gun violence. The last year that we have accurate weapons for approximately 32,000 died in gun deaths. Of those 60 percent are suicides That leaves 12,800. Of those another 3 percent are accidental deaths. That takes it down to approximately 12,400 deaths. Of those between 60 to 80 percent are gang related shootings in inner cities. If we take the 60 percent figure to be conservative that means that leaves under 5,000. If you take the 80 percent figure for gang murders then there are under 2,500 other gun deaths in the country.

The vast majority of the gang related shootings are by people who already can't legally own guns, so banning guns will do nothing to stop those deaths. Banning guns will also not stop the suicides. People don't tend to use semiautomatic rifles for suicides, so allowing the guns that you say you are willing to continue to allow won't stop any of those deaths. That means that there are approximately 2,500 deaths per year that should even be relevant to any gun control debate, a far cry from the 32,000 and up cited by gun control advocates.

By last report following New Zealand passing their new gun control law and attempting to buy back the newly illegal guns they have only had 580 guns turned in. The law they passed in the name of public safety will do nothing to stop another crazy Australian from doing another mass shooting in New Zealand, but they have successfully made thousands of their own citizens into felons for refusing to turn in their guns.

Is that what you really want? Criminalize individuals who have been law abiding citizens, while gang members continue to use illegal guns with impunity.
repealing amendments has been done, but not repeal... (show quote)


Leftie v**ers don’t think. They are the useful i***ts of the dem lefties.



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Jun 16, 2019 21:40:03   #
btbg
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Oh I've read it many times.

My complaint with it is the word M*****a.

As a country, we no longer have a need of a M*****a.

Those gun rights activists who scream that they have the right to own as many guns as they want, especially the military style assault weapons need to take a chill pill.

That's not what the amendment was written to cover.

The Founding Fathers wanted to ensure that the newly formed United States of America had a way of defending itself.

In our modern times, there is absolutely no need to "arm" a m*****a. That's what the different branches of our Military are there for.
Oh I've read it many times. br br My complaint wi... (show quote)


You are wrong, in their own words the writers of the second amendment said that it was for citizens to have protection against a tyrannical government. That reason for the second amendment is even more important today than it has ever been in the past.

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Jun 16, 2019 21:44:36   #
btbg
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
Tell us what exactly does this quote from you have anything to do with the m*****a?


“You're so worried about 2nd Amendment rights when there are mass shootings nearly daily in the United States? How many more innocent lives need to be lost before as a country we take action to get guns off of our streets?”


There are actually very few mass shootings in the United States each year. In addition violent gun deaths are down since the Clinton era ban on semiautomatic weapons ended. That's right, down. The vast majority of gun deaths are suicides which should not even be considered in the statistics as those people are likely to still commit suicide whether they have a gun or not.

I can't speak for you, but I would certainly rather have someone commit suicide with their gun than with a car. A gun suicide won't k**l anyone else, but suicide with a car could k**l me.

Once you take the suicides out of the stats then your entire argument goes away, especially when 2018 is compared to before the ban on semiautomatics was lifted.

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Jun 16, 2019 21:47:00   #
EyeSawYou
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Not to the high volume that the trump administration is ignoring them!


LOL that’s your argument?

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Jun 16, 2019 21:48:02   #
btbg
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Not to the high volume that the trump administration is ignoring them!


Well duh. Republicans issued subpoenas for what appeared to be legitimate crimes. Democrats are issuing subpoenas looking for crimes. I don't suppose you can comprehend the difference, can you?

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Jun 16, 2019 21:48:44   #
EyeSawYou
 
btbg wrote:
There are actually very few mass shootings in the United States each year. In addition violent gun deaths are down since the Clinton era ban on semiautomatic weapons ended. That's right, down. The vast majority of gun deaths are suicides which should not even be considered in the statistics as those people are likely to still commit suicide whether they have a gun or not.

I can't speak for you, but I would certainly rather have someone commit suicide with their gun than with a car. A gun suicide won't k**l anyone else, but suicide with a car could k**l me.

Once you take the suicides out of the stats then your entire argument goes away, especially when 2018 is compared to before the ban on semiautomatics was lifted.
There are actually very few mass shootings in the ... (show quote)


That was actually Shutterbugs argument, I was questioning him on that point.

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Jun 16, 2019 21:49:31   #
EyeSawYou
 
btbg wrote:
Well duh. Republicans issued subpoenas for what appeared to be legitimate crimes. Democrats are issuing subpoenas looking for crimes. I don't suppose you can comprehend the difference, can you?


Most lying Lefty loonies can’t.

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