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Jun 10, 2019 13:22:01   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
ialvarez50 wrote:
Using auto ISO in your camera will prevent you from learning photography properly. Think about this; in the past students of photography using film in their camera, learn how to properly expose the film without changing the ASA in the camera since doing that was not going to help them to get better photos. Students simply learn how to use the film without having to change the ASA (ISO for your digital camera).
Any student of photography should learn how to capture images under any light conditions without changing anything to auto.
Using auto ISO in your camera will prevent you fro... (show quote)


I though about this and find it equivalent to accepting that outhouse privy or covered wagon should be experienced before an indoor loo or a car. You used the tools that were available with film and worked around what today looks like major shortcomings in digital. Auto ISO in particular is valuable to get a good idea if not damn close. it does mean you dont understand or prevent you from learning the expose triangle. To not use it as some right of passage is downright silly. Same goes for the either of the priority modes.

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Jun 10, 2019 13:33:35   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Every mode on a camera has a purpose. It's up to the user to figure out which is best in a given situation.

If you understand — REALLY understand exposure — then you will make conscious decisions about which mode to use when.

It takes a balance of four things to record an image:

THE LIGHT on the scene (natural, artificial, or a mix)

SENSITIVITY of the camera or film (ISO)

APERTURE in the lens (f/stop)

EXPOSURE TIME set on the camera (shutter speed)

EXPOSURE by itself involves only aperture and shutter speed. They control how many photons can reach the film or sensor.

PROPER exposure requires all four components in balance *for the effect you want to achieve.* That requires an understanding of interplay among the four constraints. Life and photography are both full of little trade-offs.

Many roads lead to Rome, and many combinations of settings lead to exposure. Read, re-read, study examples, test, test, test, make mistakes, evaluate, recalculate... It's a life long process to learn this stuff, so go out and photograph something!

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Jun 10, 2019 15:09:04   #
BebuLamar
 
pithydoug wrote:
I though about this and find it equivalent to accepting that outhouse privy or covered wagon should be experienced before an indoor loo or a car. You used the tools that were available with film and worked around what today looks like major shortcomings in digital. Auto ISO in particular is valuable to get a good idea if not damn close. it does mean you dont understand or prevent you from learning the expose triangle. To not use it as some right of passage is downright silly. Same goes for the either of the priority modes.
I though about this and find it equivalent to acce... (show quote)


In my opinion, one should choose how to use the camera oneself. My only recommendation is to fully understand how each of the modes work before using them. For some it only takes an hour to learn how all them modes. For others it could take a life time. To each his/her own way and pace.

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Jun 13, 2019 15:48:15   #
topcat Loc: Alameda, CA
 
Everything is a tool. If you learn how to use your tools, you can get a good exposure. If you don't learn, you will be going for a lucky shot all the time.

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Jun 13, 2019 18:15:32   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
This may be a rant, if so I apologize.

Anyone can shoot Manual for any subject under any conditions and get good results--sometimes. In manual, success ratios are subject dependent. If I have time to set up a tripod, carefully compose the scene, carefully meter the light (can't use TTL meter) bracket by 1/2 stops, then I shoot manual and get a RAW image that I have to PP anyway. Of course I don't do that very often, maybe 3 or 4 times a year so I may not know what I am talking about.

I have always been a hunter. Birds, bugs, animals large and small, things that move. I started with a Nikon F, a Nikon 50 mm f2 and a Vivitor 400mm f5.6, and two rolls of Kodachrome and two mailers. [I[Everything[/I] was manual then. No viewfinder readouts, no TTL metering, settings were dials on top of the camera, to check them you had to take your eye away from the viewfinder. Success ratio: Ones I was willing to project on a screen 1:10-15, ones I would show to a real photographer 1:100, maybe.

I wish that people who make pronouncements on shooting manual would describe the type of image making they do i.e. Landscape, Portraiture, Wildlife, etc. and most important I would like to know what their success ratio is.
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...an image, in this case, would indeed be worth a "thousand words." Some people, photographers, like to talk a lot but it does not mean they actually create decent images. I'd like each respondents success rate via successful images taken.

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Jun 13, 2019 19:41:50   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
I believe it was Minor White who said it takes 10 years to learn photography. He spoke during the film era, now passe.

Back then, one had to wait hours if not days to learn how a given photograph came out. Only then could one evaluate one's effort.

Nowadays, with digital means of doing photography, one can see and assess results within seconds, and if necessary make an adjustment for an improved result. This fact allows for a shorter learning curve. So with diligence, one could learn photography in a shorter time. Others have said as much; I only repeat their opinion.
burkphoto wrote:
Every mode on a camera has a purpose. It's up to the user to figure out which is best in a given situation.

If you understand — REALLY understand exposure — then you will make conscious decisions about which mode to use when.

It takes a balance of four things to record an image:

THE LIGHT on the scene (natural, artificial, or a mix)

SENSITIVITY of the camera or film (ISO)

APERTURE in the lens (f/stop)

EXPOSURE TIME set on the camera (shutter speed)

EXPOSURE by itself involves only aperture and shutter speed. They control how many photons can reach the film or sensor.

PROPER exposure requires all four components in balance *for the effect you want to achieve.* That requires an understanding of interplay among the four constraints. Life and photography are both full of little trade-offs.

Many roads lead to Rome, and many combinations of settings lead to exposure. Read, re-read, study examples, test, test, test, make mistakes, evaluate, recalculate... It's a life long process to learn this stuff, so go out and photograph something!
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