cascoly Loc: seattle

how patronizing and condescending! - not everyone cares about all the technical details - point & shoot and even phones can produce great pictures, and using one is not laziness. you can keep today's cameras on auto and produce stunning pictures

cascoly Loc: seattle

in the vast amount of day to day photography, sensor size won't be noticeable - just look at all the great pix posted here that were taken on small sensors. and there's no reason you have to use a smartphone to edit - just offload and use CC

ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana

Were we not discussing "Analog" photography to "Digital" photography transition? This is not helpful - or is it?

BebuLamar

Not everyone cares nor anyone should care but I think the OP does care so he asked the question.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

I disagree. If you look at images taken in good light, of stationary objects, stored in JPEG and viewed on a small screen and that pleases you, then God bless and carry on, BUT if you want a high quality image of a difficult subject, then you need the appropriate equipment, and it isn’t a smartphone. Yes, there are good photographs posted on UHH taken with smartphones, but the majority are not, and the really great images (the ones that make you go “wow”) are VERY rarely taken with smartphones. Now I’m sure that someone will post a good image taken with a smartphone, but it is not the norm. If it’s all you have at the moment, then it’s better than nothing, and the composition and the moment may be excellent but it will NEVER be as good a quality as if it were taken with a DSLR or ML with a high quality lens.

Photography, as we are often reminded, is the combination of artistic and technical excellence, and as my old shop teacher used to say:” the right tool in the right condition is half the job”, and while a smartphone is convenient and requires minimal skill, it is NOT the best tool if you have a choice. Again, it is certainly better to record that great shot with mediocre technology than not at all, but if you had a choice, why would you chose a smartphone?

cascoly Loc: seattle

yet another back handed 'compliment'
never?? tools are only as good as their users. there are ranges of quality produced by any type of equipment and there's lots of junk being produced by high end cameras



strawman argument - no one was claiming phones were the best! it's just that
phones are no longer mediocre - phone images have been accepted at microstock agencies for several years and their standards are high for technical aspects . entire MOVIES are now being made using mostly smart phones (eg High Flyin Bird)

in any case, my reaction was more to the ad hominem attack on people who dont use top-end eqpt - calling them lazy, etc

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

You’ll never get an ad hominem attack from me (at least not intentionally). I agree that smartphone images are often adequate. My oldest son and his wife, use IPhones to document our four grandchildren constantly, and I have literally thousands of their images, many of which are very fetching and invaluable to me and would have never been taken if they had to get out a DSLR, so I’m with you. On the other hand, my youngest, who teaches photography, shoots a Canon 5D3 and more and more, a Fuji X-T2, and in fairness, his images are of better quality (and marketable).

Cheers

traderjohn Loc: New York City

I better put the boots on. It's getting pretty deep here.

E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada

The OP wrote that he is interested in in the artistic and scientific aspect of digital photography.

Bill furnished him with many essential scientific facts about digital imagining technology. There were also other great explanations. I decided to write more about the aesthetics and the more practical day-to-day usage of digital equipment and how it relates to analog methodologies based on my own transition. All in all, the OP is well served. He is a knowledgeable experienced individual and will process the information. I look forward to his feedback.

I can't fathom why there always has to be all of the infighting. Each of us shod be able to take pleasure in their photography with whatever approach and equipment they prefer and should not be criticized for there choices- old school, film, analog or the latest up-to-date technologies.

There is a place and user for all photographic devices and camera types. Obviously, a cell phone can't replace an advanced DSLR or a mirrorless camera but it suffices for some folks who simply enjoy taking pictures with a minimum of fuss. You can't slip a DSLR in your shirt pocket and use it spontaneously whenever the occasion arises nor can you carry out a difficult or challenging professional level assignment with a cell phone. I personally think that smartphone cameras have proliferated the daily use of photography as an accessible communications tool and folks are making better quality snapshots than ever before. Perhaps it turns a lot of folks onto more advanced photography and sophisticated cameras. I also feel that there is probably a lot of cross pollination between camera big and small and much have been learned about miniaturization, compact design, and circuitry that is being applied to more advanced cameras. Leica is making optics for phone cameras- what does that tell you?

I also feel that a person that is starting out in digital photography or transitioning from the older technologies should not be discouraged my a mountain of high-tech information. A decent camera and a basic zoom lens is a good start. Perhaps we forget that the camera is very self-contained and produces instant gratification or disappointment- both great learning tools. There is no waiting for the processing of film and no need for a computer or an editing program at the very beginning of the experience. Once the new digital photographer is fully acquainted and familiar with his camera, a basic editing platform is a next step. Practice makes perfect, or at least acceptable results and all the rest of the peripheral items can follow. Getting there is half the fun. Building a system is a great experience.

PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA

I have watched a small portion of this series and find Levoy's descriptions and explanations very detailed and explicit. When reading the OP this was my first thought for answering his questions.

The Woodpecker

Okay. This is just from my experience. I will resist telling you the whole story and just hit the highlights.

1. I recommend Pentax for your camera. Read and re-read the manual - you don't have five things to look after, you have fifty. Learn the technical aspects of how the Bayer sensor works.
At first it is hard to keep your fingers from grazing across the little buttons and inadvertently changing one or more settings, but you will get used to holding it only one way. Auto-Focusing takes practice. Fine tune your lenses. Also, practice making setting changes quickly with the myriad shooting features.
2. If you do not know someone who is willing to tutor you over the phone on an on-call basis (I was lucky), take a Photoshop course at your local college, until you gain at least enough skills to do restorations successfully. Learn Camera Raw.
Photoshop was probably, and still is the most time consuming, and I continue to learn more and more about it simply by using it. It is an enormous program. Plus you will have a tendency to take many more images, which means more critical evaluation and post processing. My weakest area and part I dislike most is the file keeping. Decide on an internal distribution chain and stick to it.
I could go on and on about all the little revelations and discoveries, but you will get those as you practice more.
I hope this helps.

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

Good morning! Sorry to be getting into your discussion so late, but I have redirected my "interactive" energy around photography toward investing in young people (both students and teachers) at the local STEAM high school where I am a substitute teacher for 90-100 days per year. I now only visit here once or twice a week for a few minutes.

As background, I'm a retired educator (physics and mathematics) and engineer who has been doing photographic documentation (from snapshots to job-related work) for close to 60 years. After returning from a trip to Germany and Austria in 1990 and being disappointed with my trip photos, I began enrolling in photography classes at my local college to learn more about the history, art, and science of photography. I switched completely to digital (which I now prefer to call silicon-based) photography in 2006. Apart from a few rolls of film shot several years ago for a couple of projects at work, I have not used film since making that switch.

You have already received several replies above. Those from Mr. Burkholder and Mr. Shapiro are particularly valuable and helpful in answering your questions. I'd just add a couple of comments to expand a bit on what they have said and maybe provide a bit wider context field.

First...there is really zero significant fundamental difference between silver-based photography and silicon-based photography. Both of them simply involve capturing a well-focused image on a sensing medium, then controlling exposure so that the proper number of photons interact with the medium to create a properly exposed "image." In fact, the only difference of any importance is that many (or even most) photographers today consider sensor sensitivity an exposure "variable." There are two key pieces of this difference. The first is that, with the exception of sheet film cameras, once a roll of film was loaded, the photographer was committed to a given film speed until that roll of film was used. (Of course, processing decisions could be made about individual exposures when sheet film was used.) The second is that silicon-based cameras, especially the newer ones, offer a dizzying range of ISO-equivalent exposure indices. (The first digital camera I used only offered a range from ISO 100-ISO 400, as I recall. My most current camera goes all the way to ISO 64,000) Exposure indices that most photographers could only dream about are now routinely available to almost everyone.

Second...the technology around capture, processing, and printing of silicon-based images is incredibly advanced and complex. And that complexity involves numerous disciplines.

As a "hardware" person myself, I can understand and appreciate your desire to "understand it all." I wish you well as you move in that direction. My suggestion, though, is that an immersive approach may or may not be ideal, given the point to which photographic systems have been developed already. And if you decide that it is, you are going to need to build a very robust respiratory support system to prevent drowning. You might want to consider instead an incremental approach...focusing primarily on one area at a time.

You will find the group here to be very much centered around shooting. You will also find them to be very much geared around post-processing every image. I do not support starting out that way, especially if you want to learn how the pieces of the systems work together to capture images. My suggestion is not to begin with raw images, either. Fine/Large JPEG or TIFF images will be much more helpful in seeing how the various parts of the camera system work together to capture your images, because you will be able to view unambiguously the results of the various choices you make at exposure. In fact, using JPEG will require you to target your exposure choices carefully, because there will be less room for error. The narrow latitude will actually help you see the effects of suboptimal choices or missed exposure combinations.

There are some differences in how you will want to meter. Film allowed the option of protecting highlights in order to capture shadow detail by choosing alternative development processes. Digital images have no headroom at all, just like digital audio on a CD. You cannot recover highlights once they are lost. But much shadow detail can be recovered if images are captured with sufficient bit depth. Post processing allows that (along with a lot of other wizardry), but I'd absolutely not worry about that at the start. Plenty of time for it later.

Photography is very much a lab class. Reading can be helpful, but putting what you learn into practice is a requirement. Understanding effects on either side of "ideal" is fundamental to being able to create the best results. Systems are so good today that "almost correct" can appear deceptively on-target.

So best wishes on your journey. Your background and history tell me that you will do fine and probably become one of the strongest experts here. Take a deep breath. Focus on the facts. Avoid "lore" and institutionalized misconception and error. Mostly...have fun and remember that you eat an elephant one bite at a time.

anotherview Loc: California

Interesting observation. Still, the lens quality has something to do with sharpness. I give the Canon 17-85mm zoom lens as an example. Its sharpness surprises, and especially so because a low-cost lens for the Canon cropped sensor line. I have this lens mounted to my Canon T7i, and I get excellent results within its given limits.

dick ranez

Digital photography is like sex - you can read a lot or watch videos, but until you try it, it's all just theory. Once you do, you'll probably want more, so take your camera and start shooting. Pretend the sensor is a new film type and run a similar evaluation - different shutter speeds, different modes, different lighting, different software (think digital chemicals) and just go do it. When you have a question - go find the answer either through reference materials or trial and error. Most important, have fun.

depscribe

One of the usually unheralded aspects of digital is that sensitivity can change from shot to shot. I used to love shooting Panasonic-X, but didn't love being stuck with a whole roll of ASA 25 film tying up one body. But now -- ha! -- we can shoot at 100 one frame and 51,200 the next. So in addition to shutter speed and aperture, we have a whole nother control.