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Jun 6, 2019 11:49:37   #
richardsaccount
 
jdubu wrote:
What camera you use is of less importance, IMO, than the lens and lighting. Any good mid level and up camera body will produce the photos you want. Possibly a full frame DSLR would be better for your proposed results.

Decide on a camera and then the proper lens for that system. I would not get a lens that is soft at the edges or anywhere near wide angle. If you have the room, a bit longer prime lens (minimum 50mm) will provide the least distortion.

Proper lighting goes hand in hand with the right lens for what you are wanting to do. You need to learn lighting to properly if you are reproducing art.

Are you shooting your art pieces flat on the floor or table or are you shooting them hanging on a wall? You'll need a proper setup to have your camera parallel to the art. Easier to do that shooting down, a bit harder shooting to a wall because you can be level but not necessarily parallel to the wall. A tripod that allows for your type of setup along with light stands, modifiers, etc. will make your shooting easier and replicable. Your set up can be as complicated or simple as your tolerance to the quality of your finished product.
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I used to do a lot of copy work for an historical society. A lens with good flatness of field really helps on the edges. A polarizing filter and a polarized light source helps with glare and reflections. The lighting used polarizing sheet material.

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Jun 6, 2019 12:17:23   #
dick ranez
 
If you live in a metropolitan area, consider out sourcing to a professional lab. If you have to do it yourself, camera is less important than the lens, and both are less important than the lighting. Pay particular attention to have the sensor plane parallel to the art object.

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Jun 6, 2019 12:19:41   #
MarkSki
 
That’s a very tall order!! Gyclees are a scan and print process, produced on very, very expensive equipment, not likely to be equaled with a camera.

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Jun 6, 2019 13:01:53   #
davesit Loc: Media, PA
 
rmalarz wrote:
Lighting is crucial. Diffusion of the lighting is just as crucial.
--Bob


I couldn't agree with you more. You can spend $5,000 for a setup and still would not get good shots of artwork. Glare is the most common problem to deal with.

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Jun 6, 2019 13:07:54   #
dick ranez
 
If you live in a metropolitan area, consider out sourcing to a professional lab. If you have to do it yourself, camera is less important than the lens, and both are less important than the lighting. Pay particular attention to have the sensor plane parallel to the art object.

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Jun 6, 2019 13:28:27   #
boydcrochet
 
Lighting is first.
Rake lighting serves two purposes 1) reduces glare 2) enhances the texture of the canvas or oils.
You need good quality, soft even light. The more room you have to backup the light the less critical the light source.

Lighting options are going to be space you have and size of the art dependent.

Longest focal length space allows, reduces the "angle of incidence" to minimze glare and has less distortion. (No wide angle zooms)

Any prime portrait lens. Manual focus models are fine. Most prime macro lenses over 60mm are good choices too.

Your budget doesn't quite reach the full frame cameras. A used Nikon 7100 is a good start.

For working tethered, Digicam Control, free software, and a color correct computer.

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Jun 6, 2019 13:42:12   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
kymarto wrote:
Not a good idea at all to use a wide lens, as they are nowhere near adequately corrected for copy work. Nor will a single flash work due to reflections. You will need a macro lens or other lens that is sharp and has no CA, and does not suffer from barrel distortion like WA lenses. Two diffused light sources at 45 degree angles might be enough if they are large enough to cover the larger canvases evenly, in a completely dark room without other light sources. $1000 is really not enough to do this job correctly IMO. They will clearly be reproductions that do not faithfully resemble the originals.
Not a good idea at all to use a wide lens, as they... (show quote)


I COMPLETELY Agree. No wide angle lenses for copy work

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Jun 6, 2019 14:24:26   #
Bill P
 
LWW wrote:
NIKKOR 10-20 AFP $276.95
NIKON D5600 $546.95
Magnus DLX-357 tripod $24.99
Neewer 750II TTL Flash $52.99
B+W 72mm Circular Polarizer $76.95
Total from B&H. $978.73


Why the 10-20? Seems strange.

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Jun 6, 2019 14:33:00   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
I have done what you are talking about for about 7 years. The only difference is that I do not sell giclees of my art, the photos are for my catalog. I have tried many different camera/lens combinations, and it always ends up the same story. Yes, lighting is very important. But the greatest difficulty I have found is that each camera/lens changes the colors slightly. The only camera that gives the truest color is my Sony RX-10 original, which you can find for $450.00 used on eBay. The lens and sensor seem to give the best accuracy, over my other cameras (Sony Full frame and APS-C, OlympusM43, and NikonPoint and shoot). The other problems will stem from your artwork.. do any have foil, texture, sunken colors? These will all cause headaches and compromises as you photograph them. Using a scanner is also limiting, as this causes higher costs, and it will be harder for you to make a profit. Good luck in your effort!

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Jun 6, 2019 14:35:14   #
bcplimpton Loc: Southern New Jersey
 
I use a Nikon D5600 with 80mm DX lens and cable release on a very sturdy tripod. I do this in my basement which has very little outside light. I set up an easel to hold the painting. I use two diffused (umbrella) lights set at 45º angle from either side of the easel. I turn our all the light fixtures except the two studio lights. This makes my basement pretty dark. Adjust the distance and angle of the lights to be sure that there will be no glare. I take a properly exposed shot of a gray card (filling the frame) and set the camera to use that for preset white balance. Now with only the studio lights on I clamp the painting vertically on the easel and photograph it. I generally open the lens very wide as DOF is not an issue if the painting is vertical and the lens angle of view to the painting is 90 º. Try to keep the edges of the painting square to the edges of the viewfinder. This reduce the need for rotation in post that may damage the resulting image. Exposures tend to be long which is the reason for the sturdy tripod and cable release. I also usually bracket +- .5EV. With this set-up the artist almost always likes the middle exposure with little to no processing beyond cropping. Most paintings are not the 2x3 aspect ratio of a DSLR, so I do my best to fill the frame and crop to the exact painting aspect ratio in post.
The set up and tear down require a significant amount on time so I tend to make my spouse (the painter) wait until she has at least 5 or more ready for imaging. It took a lot of trial and error to finally determine the exact process that works for me but since I've been using it, I have not had to take a shot over.
The critical steps are the lighting/white balance, having the camera aligned so that the lens angle of view to the painting is 90º and adjusting the camera to eliminate as much parallax and rotation as possible.

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Jun 6, 2019 14:36:16   #
bcplimpton Loc: Southern New Jersey
 
I use a Nikon D5600 with 80mm DX lens and cable release on a very sturdy tripod. I do this in my basement which has very little outside light. I set up an easel to hold the painting. I use two diffused (umbrella) lights set at 45º angle from either side of the easel. I turn our all the light fixtures except the two studio lights. This makes my basement pretty dark. Adjust the distance and angle of the lights to be sure that there will be no glare. I take a properly exposed shot of a gray card (filling the frame) and set the camera to use that for preset white balance. Now with only the studio lights on I clamp the painting vertically on the easel and photograph it. I generally open the lens very wide as DOF is not an issue if the painting is vertical and the lens angle of view to the painting is 90 º. Try to keep the edges of the painting square to the edges of the viewfinder. This reduce the need for rotation in post that may damage the resulting image. Exposures tend to be long which is the reason for the sturdy tripod and cable release. I also usually bracket +- .5EV. With this set-up the artist almost always likes the middle exposure with little to no processing beyond cropping. Most paintings are not the 2x3 aspect ratio of a DSLR, so I do my best to fill the frame and crop to the exact painting aspect ratio in post.
The set up and tear down require a significant amount on time so I tend to make my spouse (the painter) wait until she has at least 5 or more ready for imaging. It took a lot of trial and error to finally determine the exact process that works for me but since I've been using it, I have not had to take a shot over.
The critical steps are the lighting/white balance, having the camera aligned so that the lens angle of view to the painting is 90º and adjusting the camera to eliminate as much parallax and rotation as possible.

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Jun 6, 2019 14:38:27   #
Bill P
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
A $1,000 limit may be a tall order for a decent copy setup. You budge, beside a good camera body and lens has to include some specific lighting requirements, a good quality polarizing filter and some polarizing filter for 2 light sources.

You don't need highly specialized camera/lens gear for short runs of prints for casual sales but if you get into high volume lithographic production, the standards and accompanying requirements may entail higher quality and thereby calling for far more costly equipment.


I would suggest a full frame body and a macro lens in either a 60mm or 100mm focal length. These lenses deliver good quality at closer and moderately close distances so these will accommodate the size range you specified.

Lighting is extremely important for even exposure, control of any glare or reflection that could result from the paints, varnishes or other finishes that you apply to your paintings. Cross-polarized lighting is important not only for reflection or glare control but to obtain proper contrast and color saturation.

You can probably use LED lighting units or electronic flash. LEDs are probably less expensive and you can see exactly what you are doing- flash gear with modeling lamps would be more costly.

You can make a fixed setup with 2 lights, each placed at 45 degrees to the camera/subject axis. Each light is equipped with a plastic polarizing screen oriented according to the markings provided on the cardboard frames that retain the filters. A good optical glass CPL filter is placed on the lens. As you rotate the filter you will see the negation of glare and the increase in color saturation. You can meter the light at all 4 corners of each painting to ensure that it is even and make a few bracketed exposure of each painting.

If you create palette knife or bas relief work, you can use only one of the lights to retain the surface texture- that is called interpretative copying.

As others have alluded to, you will need some gray cards and color checking targets to keep things calibrated.


You can research the used market for the camera and lens gear. A crop-sensor can work but if you equip yourself with a better body, this may be more economical going forward. I'm sure you can fie a good used macro lens. Check with B&H, KEH, Adorama and some of the other reputable dealers.

In my commercial business, I do quite a bit of art reproduction for artists, galleries, dealers, museums, and folks who assess, authenticate and evaluate artwork. The aforementioned setup it the system I use. It may seem very complex but once you have it set up, even out the lighting and standardize your and exposure, it becomes easy and routine to record all of you work as you produce it.

Theses system works well on works of various mediums- oils, acrylics, watercolors, tempera, pen and ink, pencil sketches, etchings, etc.

I will attach a basic lighting diagram, a shot of the polarizing screen that is employed over the lights and a typical painting I have copied. This one is about 60x80 inches, hanging in a museum and could not be removed from the frame. The diagram of the copy stand and a large format camera is just to give you a basic idea of the setup. A digital camera mounted on a sturdy tripod and a mechanism to hold your paintings on the wall will work well- just keep the camera exactly parallel to the wall, level, and centered to he painting.

I wish I had better news for your budgetary questions. I have used Nikon and Canon gear for this kind of work. There are other good brands as well but perhaps it will be more likely to find some good used gear in theses makes. The polarized lighting filter material is available from Roscoe photographic and stages lighting suppliers (Google them for a dealer near you). Excellent CPL filters are made by Hoya, Zeiss, and B+W.
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For all the advice on here, this is the one that shows it is from someone who has doen this on a regular basis, and is not just fantasizing. I have a friend that owns a lab and does this regularly, and this will give you an idea how to do this right ti takes time and touble. And if you don't want to do it right, the just stop reading here.

He has a permanent setup in his lab for this. He went to a going out of business auction at a local print shop and bought an old process camera. This is a device with a massive cast iron frame, He retained the holder for the originals and the light supports, and removed the vacuum film back and replaced it with a standard 1/4-20 screw to mount a camera. he lights with studio strobes that are aligned exactly 45 degrees from the original, with polarizing filters attached. He includes a grey scale and color chart alongside every original. When originally installed, he used film, and as he had his own dip and dunk line that was carefully monitored every day with control strips, he had a highly controlled system. In the conversion to digital, he uses a Canon 5D. Of course he uses a dedicated macro lens, not some zoom that focuses close.

This isn't something for amateur night. This is serious business, a situation where half-assed work is a total fail.

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Jun 6, 2019 14:43:22   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
fetzler wrote:
E. L Shapiro has good advice good advice for lighting.

I have copied paintings. It is a challenge.

1.You need to have the sensor plane exactly parallel to the plane of the painting. I have used a copy stand for smaller works and an easel that would allow the painting to hang vertically.

2. Have your monitor and printer color calibrated. Also use a color checker.

3. I would use continuous lighting of good color quality. Although the lights are super hot photographic incandescent lights are the gold standard for color quality. LED will, however, usually be fine.

4. Use a macro lens. These have a flat field - Very little barrel or pincushion distortion. A lot of macro photographers like long focal lengths. You may want some of the shorter focal length particularly if the paintings are large or your room is small. In FF focal lengths 50 -100mm will be were you want to be. Nikon has a variety of focal lengths for macro lenses. The 40mm (DX) and 60mm (for DX and FX) might be good choices.

5. Consider how large you need make your reproductions - the standard will be 300 dpi where works will be looked at closely. If the work will be seen only at a distance you can use less than this. ( perhaps as low as 100 dpi) This will determine how many megapixels you need.

6. Should your need more than 20 to 24 mp. You have some further choices. These are
a. purchase a 40 -50mp camera ($$$)
b. use stitching software - be sure the software will allow the use of images where the camera or image moves parallel to the sensor plane.
c. consider using an Olympus camera that has the high resolution mode (80MP raw). This mode requires a stationary subject. My Pen F does this. The 30 and 60mm m.zuiko macro lenses are excellent.

7. if you use a high megapixel camera building vibrations may be an issue. Use a heavy tripod on the ground floor, if possible.

This will be difficult to do on your budget. You may be able to get a used PenF and used 30mm m.zuiko for $1000. (Another 20MP Olympus could be OK too if you can get it cheap enough.)

Consider renting to see if you like a setup before buying.
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...light, light, light. I got frustrated trying to shoot my work on a wall with good equipment and studio lights. Too many facets were causing glare points that produced alot of Photoshop time. I eventually got it *sort of* right, but still grrrrr. So I built a copy table kinda thing that is big enough for *most* of my work (so far, at least) and allows me to explore up-lighting to boot. What you see is the first try at shooting one of my pieces, and another up-lit using my neighbor's flower petals. D800 with a 16-35 f4 (since, I've gone macro) with very little manipulation in post (mostly just the crop with a white balance tweak). Now, I'm a cabinet guy and this was pretty easy to make, but the concept is simple and doable for the average handy person with some tools. Scrim material was readily available (it's double layered and stretched over a simple frame) and I found the plexi at a local plastics company for 20 bux. My total outlay in materials was under $100...ply and plexi biggest, hardware next, some 1/4 20 knobs and mated inserts.









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Jun 6, 2019 15:12:20   #
orvisk
 


I agree with this setup; the 60 mm macro lense is perfect. Just shoot outside in natural light in front of a white garage door and there will be a minimal amount of distortion with the 60mm lense Even a D90 or D300 nikon body wold be just fine for this task. I use a D610 and a 50mm afd F 1.4 and get photos with no
out of focus around perimeter of image.

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Jun 6, 2019 15:41:41   #
nl
 
A heartfelt thanks to all of you for your wisdom. I will do a better job because of you. :)

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