A New Deadly Weapon - The Silencer
Jun 2, 2019 09:54:15 #
Vietnam Vet wrote:
I know a young woman who would like to go to the gun range and shoot. However she has a medical issue and cannot tolerate loud noises like fireworks or a siren. A silencer would allow her to have fun at the gun range with her friends and family. So there is a legitimate reason for some people to own a suppressor.
And lest we forget, the silencer was not the problem, the one using it was.
And lest we forget, the silencer was not the problem, the one using it was.
Bogus reason. Sounds like something made up by a NRA Lawyer. Get her a decent set of ear protectors. I’ve got a pair that blocks out 95% of noise. I fire high caliber rifles, 300 magnums and 7mm magnums, and can’t here anything except a thumping sound, when fired.
Jun 2, 2019 10:16:23 #
The "ROOT CAUSE", Evil, Hatred, and too often Mental Illness...
And as a Life long Weapon Owner, and NRA Member I also see no reason for Silencer's on Weapons. If sound is a problem use a .22 Caliber, .177 Caliber or BB Weapon for Target Shooting fun.
Common Sense "Trump's" Knee jerk solutions never solve anything, Law Abiding Citizens always lose Freedoms when "Root Cause"is ignored for Political Reason's.
My Opinion, squat on it if it gives anyone relieve..
And as a Life long Weapon Owner, and NRA Member I also see no reason for Silencer's on Weapons. If sound is a problem use a .22 Caliber, .177 Caliber or BB Weapon for Target Shooting fun.
Common Sense "Trump's" Knee jerk solutions never solve anything, Law Abiding Citizens always lose Freedoms when "Root Cause"is ignored for Political Reason's.
My Opinion, squat on it if it gives anyone relieve..
Jun 2, 2019 13:27:57 #
wrangler5
Loc: Missouri
Weapons are made more deadly by laws that insure only criminals have 'em. Virginia Beach was just another mass shooting in a "gun free zone", as is the case with something like 97% of the mass shootings in the US.
Jun 2, 2019 13:30:12 #
wrangler5 wrote:
Weapons are made more deadly by laws that insure only criminals have 'em. Virginia Beach was just another mass shooting in a "gun free zone", as is the case with something like 97% of the mass shootings in the US.
That's because the "good guys" obey the laws.........
Criminals do not.
Jun 2, 2019 13:45:45 #
jerryc41 wrote:
And those big "ear muffs" don't help?
Nope, I used sonic plugs inside muffs. After 40 years of competitive shooting I have a 60% hearing loss.
Ron
Jun 2, 2019 14:16:18 #
Frank T wrote:
Thanks for the lesson on semantics but the problem remains. There is no legitimate reason to own and use a suppressor.
To prevent hearing loss for one. And some places encourage their use to cut down on noise pollution for people living near shooting ranges. Or even for hunting so you don't spook every animal for a mile around.
And as to the suppression part, they actually are a bit louder than edwdickinson stated, more on the order of a car back fire for larger caliber., Certainly not as quiet as movies and TV make them. Then add in the mechanical noises of the gun's action cycling (I have never heard a movie or TV show that included that noise.) and dependent on the gun and/or caliber they can still be pretty loud.
I sure wish the Army had used them in the 60s. Between gunfire etc and tropical fungus infections I have partial hearing loss and tinnitus so bad I crank up the music in the car or the TV sound at home and play with the bass & treble controls to the point my wife doesn't like it. Or at home I get out my Bose noise suppressing head phones to listen to music.
In a side note, "bullet proof vests" aren't, bullet proof that is. They are resistant and each type is rated for what they will stop. And the more they stop the bulkier and heavier they get. And those layers of kevlar that slow and stop a bullet are pretty useless against a knife, spear, sword or similar in the hands of a strong person. Vest made to stop blades are often pretty useless at stopping bullets and one that will stop both - very bulky, very heavy and very hot to wear.
Jun 2, 2019 14:24:04 #
tom kf4wol wrote:
The "ROOT CAUSE", Evil, Hatred, and too ... (show quote)
The Elephant in the room is a topic that no one seems that interested in talking too much about. Mentally disturbed people can run pedestrians over in automobiles as well as taping a plastic soda bottle over the barrel of a pistol. It seems the fear of documenting irrational behavior and trying to maintain some kind of a national database of these folks and their behavior is still trumping the fear of being involved in a mass shooting. Wake up people.... folks intent on killing will use any means and find a way. Quit looking for band aids and focus on solutions that make sense.
Jun 2, 2019 14:36:47 #
MrBob wrote:
The Elephant in the room is a topic that no one se... (show quote)
So, if people already own cars that can kill, there's really no reason for them to own guns.
Jun 2, 2019 15:14:16 #
Frank T wrote:
So, if people already own cars that can kill, there's really no reason for them to own guns.
Logic does not follow.
(Then one would not need knives, baseball bats, tire irons, hands,...)
Jun 2, 2019 19:15:46 #
sb wrote:
And I would like to play at Carnegie Hall, but I am handicapped by a lack of talent. Some things are just not meant to be.
And lest we forget - the silencer multiplied the problem of the person with the gun.
And lest we forget - the silencer multiplied the problem of the person with the gun.
Playing at Carnegie hall is not a right, neither is medical, education or being a US citizen for that matter.
Jun 2, 2019 19:33:07 #
Ed Dickinson is correct, suppressor not silencer. In a previous life I had access to and used suppressed weapons. That was after I had already suffered a profound hearing loss from using unsuppressed weapons in Nam as well as random artillery and airstrikes.
The artillery and Navy use guns, individuals use rifles, pistols, shotguns and such.
Just my dos centavos from the Southern frontier.
The artillery and Navy use guns, individuals use rifles, pistols, shotguns and such.
Just my dos centavos from the Southern frontier.
Jun 2, 2019 22:16:30 #
The shooter was using two .45 caliber weapons. The projectile fired is big, heavy and slow (subsonic). Because of the weight and size it imparts considerable damage to a living target. Because it travels at subsonic speed a silencer will work to reduce the noise the gun makes. He knew what he was doing. When a bullet exceeds the speed of sound a loud "crack" sound is made. A silencer will have no effect masking that sound.
BTW, not very many gun enthusiasts bother to use silencers because you need to pay for a special tax to do so. They use oil and a make the weapon dirty.
BTW, not very many gun enthusiasts bother to use silencers because you need to pay for a special tax to do so. They use oil and a make the weapon dirty.
Jun 2, 2019 23:43:23 #
The noise the "gun" makes is mechanical, a suppressor has no effect on that. The cartridge consists of the case, primer, powder charge and bullet. The primer ignites the powder charge producing gas which propels the bullet down the barrel and to the target.
The suppressor will act in a way similar to an auto muffler, directing these gases thru a series of baffles reducing the speed of the gas and level of sound emitted.
This is not a technical explanation just a general explanation. I was an end user not a tech.
They are a special purpose tool and nothing like what is depicted in movies or TV. As mentioned previously, the .45 acp is a subsonic round thus quieter downrange, supersonic rounds exceed 1,100 Ft per second thus producing the distinctive bang-crack as shots are fired.
The suppressor will act in a way similar to an auto muffler, directing these gases thru a series of baffles reducing the speed of the gas and level of sound emitted.
This is not a technical explanation just a general explanation. I was an end user not a tech.
They are a special purpose tool and nothing like what is depicted in movies or TV. As mentioned previously, the .45 acp is a subsonic round thus quieter downrange, supersonic rounds exceed 1,100 Ft per second thus producing the distinctive bang-crack as shots are fired.
Jun 3, 2019 00:05:08 #
amfoto1 wrote:
This is partially true. "Silencer" is a ... (show quote)
PS - They're routinely used in European countries without any additional licensing.
Jun 3, 2019 00:13:21 #
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