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May 27, 2019 09:52:20   #
raymondh Loc: Walker, MI
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
I have found the forum of regulars here to be very supportive and inspirational. They truly helped me in my adventure into macro photography and without them I may have turned to another hobby (now a passion).

The Canon MP-65E is considered to be the "gold standard" of macro lenses and many use it here. I'm a Nikon user so I have to resort to other methods. Mastering off-camera flash is important to highly detailed images. There appear to be endless ways to accomplish this so enjoy experimenting with methods of diffusion. The working distance in macro and especially when going more than 1:1 can produce shadows by the lens being so close to the subject so getting a soft flash on the subject is important for quality shots.

The MP-65E can go to 5:1 which is oh-my-gosh detail. Practice with different f/stops, shutter speeds and flash power for various situations you will come across. If you enjoy learning, this will provide an endless opportunity to do so.

Don't be discouraged when a shot doesn't turn out well. Frankly, there are many more misses than hits which I'm confident others will attest to however those few that are hits make it all worthwhile.

Hand-held shooting in the manual mode is a more productive method in the field compared to using a tripod. Mark suggested that I carry a stick with me to hold and rest my camera on and that made a huge difference plus the stick came in handy for other uses in the field like pushing back weeds looking for insects.
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I understand where a tripod in the field would prove awkward but might not a monopod be useful as opposed to carrying a stick?

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May 27, 2019 10:04:30   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
Actually, that's what I do. I carry a "Slik Slim Monopod" as my walking stick. It collapses for compact carry and it is thin and lightweight. Should I find a flower or something more stationary I can attach the camera to it by snapping the ARCA plate attached to the camera into it.

Most of my daily hunts are in the bog thickets where the plant life is dense and quite tall so this works well for me. Unfortunately my favorite areas have been flooded for several months now so it will be quite a while before I can enjoy scouting there again.

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May 27, 2019 10:30:11   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
Pysanka Artist wrote:
I am new to macro photography and have always enjoyed getting close to my subjects. I have finally purchased some equipment and was wondering if you could tell me if there is anything else basic I will need. This is what I have:

MP-E 65mm 1 2.8 lens
EF100mm f2.8L MACRO IS USM lens
Feisol CT-3442 tripod
7D Mark II
Leofoto LH-40PCL ball head
ISHOOT D Lens CollarĀ 
SunwayFoto PCL-7DIIR L Bracket for Canon 7D Mark II DSLR Camera
100mm a/s plate
Yongnuo YN24EX macro flash
Canon tripod mount B

Would also appreciate any tutorials or books on how to proceed with macro photography!

Here's something I shot hand held with my 100mm.
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The MP-E 65mm puts you into a world you have never visited before. Books and tutorials are not too reliable, there are higher degrees of insanity but not many. Get it out, mount it, and have at it! Most people have no idea what an image made with this lens actually is. Magnification at this rate is too uncommon for most types of photography. It is one of Canon's smallest lens yet it allows as much creativity as any other. Bought one a few years ago to use in winter projects and have enjoyed it's results immensely. Caters to a mind-set unlike any other lens.

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May 27, 2019 16:10:43   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
It will be easier in the beginning to use the 100mm macro to get used to shooting with these lenses. The mp-e 65mm is more challenging.
If you are shooting live insects, a tripod is more limiting since it is slow to set up and it introduces other problems. Monopod is faster and the shutter speed and flash will do a good job at removing movement due to camera shake. A 'steady stick', which is a simple wooden dowel rod about 5/8" thick, is even faster for setting up than a monopod. Hold it in your left hand, and rest the lens across your thumb with that hand. Right hand grips the camera and works the shutter.
The mp-e 65 is harder to control when focusing closer than 1:1, and you may prefer to shoot with a tripod or other fixed point with that.

The thing missing in your kit, or at least not mentioned, is a diffuser for the flash.

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May 27, 2019 17:39:49   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
Excellent advice, Mark. You suggested that to me last year and it made a world of a difference in my hit rate in addition to being a quite multipurpose tool.

I also agree with the 1:1 macro as a great field lens and one in the 100mm range is "just right" in most cases. On a personal note, I'm considering the 15mm f/4 Laowa full frame wide angle macro to include some background in the shots however the extremely close working distance at 1:1 is 12.2 cm which is a bit intimidating for me to get that close to a subject (or get down on my knees or lay flat to get a shot that close).

Laowa has recently introduced a 100mm f/2.8 full frame Super Macro (up to 2:1 magnification) that looks like a good all around carry macro lens.

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May 27, 2019 22:45:17   #
Pysanka Artist Loc: Rochester, NY
 
napabob wrote:
they are both well cherished, they are different beasts, 100 shoots auto focus down to 1:1,(sorry I do not know what it is with tubes) the MP-E is manual only and shoots 1:1 - 5:1 (add tubes it gets dicey and again don't know what you end up with, other then a DOF so thin it's VERY challenging unless your stacking)

if I'm shooting butterflies, flowers, flowers with bugs, I'll start with the 100 only and if the bug is interesting I'll add the tubes, if it's real interesting I'll capture it and bring it to my macro lab, and usually switch to the MP-E 65
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In the description for the tubes it says "These Kenko Auto Extension Tubes retain auto focus capability with Canon AF lenses providing the effective aperture stays at f/5.6 or brighter."

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May 27, 2019 22:55:04   #
Pysanka Artist Loc: Rochester, NY
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
I have found the forum of regulars here to be very supportive and inspirational. They truly helped me in my adventure into macro photography and without them I may have turned to another hobby (now a passion).

The Canon MP-65E is considered to be the "gold standard" of macro lenses and many use it here. I'm a Nikon user so I have to resort to other methods. Mastering off-camera flash is important to highly detailed images. There appear to be endless ways to accomplish this so enjoy experimenting with methods of diffusion. The working distance in macro and especially when going more than 1:1 can produce shadows by the lens being so close to the subject so getting a soft flash on the subject is important for quality shots.

The MP-65E can go to 5:1 which is oh-my-gosh detail. Practice with different f/stops, shutter speeds and flash power for various situations you will come across. If you enjoy learning, this will provide an endless opportunity to do so.

Don't be discouraged when a shot doesn't turn out well. Frankly, there are many more misses than hits which I'm confident others will attest to however those few that are hits make it all worthwhile.

Hand-held shooting in the manual mode is a more productive method in the field compared to using a tripod. Mark suggested that I carry a stick with me to hold and rest my camera on and that made a huge difference plus the stick came in handy for other uses in the field like pushing back weeds looking for insects.
I have found the forum of regulars here to be very... (show quote)


I will have a lot of learning to do and am eggscited to dive into the world of macro. And am so grateful that I have the members of this forum for guidance. No problem with not being discouraged -- I've had enough eggsperience already shooting since August (non macro) that I understand it takes a LOT of shots to get one GREAT shot. And I have purchased a monopod also: Leofoto MP-326C. I got the tripod for studio work and for stacking.

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May 27, 2019 22:55:50   #
Pysanka Artist Loc: Rochester, NY
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
Here's a link to my recent macro setup that I use for focus stacking that you may find interesting should you ever wish to use your MP-65E lens at 5:1 for focus stacked images.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-593805-1.html#10187498


This is great! Thank you!

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May 27, 2019 23:14:09   #
Pysanka Artist Loc: Rochester, NY
 
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
It will be easier in the beginning to use the 100mm macro to get used to shooting with these lenses. The mp-e 65mm is more challenging.
If you are shooting live insects, a tripod is more limiting since it is slow to set up and it introduces other problems. Monopod is faster and the shutter speed and flash will do a good job at removing movement due to camera shake. A 'steady stick', which is a simple wooden dowel rod about 5/8" thick, is even faster for setting up than a monopod. Hold it in your left hand, and rest the lens across your thumb with that hand. Right hand grips the camera and works the shutter.
The mp-e 65 is harder to control when focusing closer than 1:1, and you may prefer to shoot with a tripod or other fixed point with that.

The thing missing in your kit, or at least not mentioned, is a diffuser for the flash.
It will be easier in the beginning to use the 100m... (show quote)


Thank you! So I found this on Ebay:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Diffuser-Kit-for-Yongnuo-YN24EX-Twin-Flash-Designed-for-using-with-MP-E65-Lens/142787299433

I think my only other option would be to make my own. Any other suggestions for a diffuser, homemade or retail?

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May 28, 2019 09:23:24   #
Heather Iles Loc: UK, Somerset
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
Here's a link to my recent macro setup that I use for focus stacking that you may find interesting should you ever wish to use your MP-65E lens at 5:1 for focus stacked images.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-593805-1.html#10187498


Thanks for showing us your setup. It is like a laboratory, but if it works that is all that matters.

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May 28, 2019 10:16:14   #
napabob Loc: Napa CA
 
Pysanka Artist wrote:
Thank you! So I found this on Ebay:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Diffuser-Kit-for-Yongnuo-YN24EX-Twin-Flash-Designed-for-using-with-MP-E65-Lens/142787299433

I think my only other option would be to make my own. Any other suggestions for a diffuser, homemade or retail?


looks like a good option, I have something similar I purchased for my Canon MT-24 twin flash, it also came from the UK, it is a good start, I had to modify it a tad for my tastes

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May 29, 2019 07:59:45   #
Pysanka Artist Loc: Rochester, NY
 
napabob wrote:
they are both well cherished, they are different beasts, 100 shoots auto focus down to 1:1,(sorry I do not know what it is with tubes) the MP-E is manual only and shoots 1:1 - 5:1 (add tubes it gets dicey and again don't know what you end up with, other then a DOF so thin it's VERY challenging unless your stacking)

if I'm shooting butterflies, flowers, flowers with bugs, I'll start with the 100 only and if the bug is interesting I'll add the tubes, if it's real interesting I'll capture it and bring it to my macro lab, and usually switch to the MP-E 65
they are both well cherished, they are different b... (show quote)


Do you use a flash with the 100mm?

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May 29, 2019 10:43:05   #
napabob Loc: Napa CA
 
Pysanka Artist wrote:
Do you use a flash with the 100mm?


indeed, I rarely shoot macro without flash, my macro rig is from RRS and allows any lens, and adjusts my twin flash along with the MP-E 65 as it changes length, as well as when I put tubes on my 100, I do shoot close up/macro shots without flash with my 70-200 or my 100-400 on a monopod

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