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May 30, 2019 08:58:01   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
You imagine what you want to imagine the facts to be. Your conclusions are faulty.

Had Trump been guilty of obstruction or collusion, he could have been charged upon leaving office. It was Muellers job to PROVE collusion or obustruction and say it. He didn't say it because there is no proof. Period.


Did you not hear the farewell speech?? I do realize there are various interpretations, but he spent some time clarifying the objectives and reasons for the results.

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May 30, 2019 09:55:59   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
DaveO wrote:
Did you not hear the farewell speech?? I do realize there are various interpretations, but he spent some time clarifying the objectives and reasons for the results.

But that is not quite what he told Barr, Rosenstein, and O'Callaghan.

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May 30, 2019 12:16:26   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
DaveO wrote:
Did you not hear the farewell speech?? I do realize there are various interpretations, but he spent some time clarifying the objectives and reasons for the results.


Well, my opinion is that if a crime of collusion or obstruction had been committed and could be proven he would have said that. Period. He did not say that. Not charged Trump, but would have stated the crime and laid out the evidence. I think Mueller was a waste of 35 million dollars. I also suspect Barr has meeting notes or recorded conversations with Mueller where Mueller clearly says he had no proof of anything. If he releases that, Mueller will be back on the hot seat.

Depending on the politics, people hear and interpret what they want it to be.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mueller-defends-barr-says-no-contradiction-on-obstruction-releases-document-to-provide-more-context

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May 30, 2019 22:11:16   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
So, you believe Mueller, but you don't believe Barr. What facts do you have that lead you to that conclusion? What if Barr has a recording or a letter where Mueller says differently?

Bottom line, you either PROVE a crime or you cannot say a crime has been committed. NO PROOF, no crime. All are presumed innocent. NO PROOF, you are innocent. Period.

I don't trust Barr at all. He lied during his confirmation hearing, and he lied during his Senate Testimony a few weeks ago.

This is the second time in his career as the US AG, and it's the second time that he's tried to cover up the t***h.

What part of the Muller report where it states that there was INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE don't you understand.

That's totally different than no proof at all.

You are so deeply into consuming the trump Kool-Aid that you can't see the forest for the trees.

The trump campaign and the trump administration destroyed evidence that would have proven their crimes. Because the trump campaign and the trump administration used encrypted emails, failed to retain documentations and communications once trump had been sworn into office, and conveniently couldn't remember answers to questions asked by Muller, his team, or the Grand Jury, the trump campaign and the trump administration hid the t***h of exactly what went on.

The President doesn't get to enjoy the presumption of innocence when he chooses to operate on the basis that he's above the law.

trump admitted this morning that he did have help from Russia to win the e******n!

Just because he tried to walk that comment back, doen't make it any less true.

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May 30, 2019 22:14:27   #
Angmo
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
I don't trust Barr at all. He lied during his confirmation hearing, and he lied during his Senate Testimony a few weeks ago.

This is the second time in his career as the US AG, and it's the second time that he's tried to cover up the t***h.

What part of the Muller report where it states that there was INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE don't you understand.

That's totally different than no proof at all.

You are so deeply into consuming the trump Kool-Aid that you can't see the forest for the trees.

The trump campaign and the trump administration destroyed evidence that would have proven their crimes. Because the trump campaign and the trump administration used encrypted emails, failed to retain documentations and communications once trump had been sworn into office, and conveniently couldn't remember answers to questions asked by Muller, his team, or the Grand Jury, the trump campaign and the trump administration hid the t***h of exactly what went on.

The President doesn't get to enjoy the presumption of innocence when he chooses to operate on the basis that he's above the law.

trump admitted this morning that he did have help from Russia to win the e******n!

Just because he tried to walk that comment back, doen't make it any less true.
I don't trust Barr at all. He lied during his con... (show quote)


What lie? Can you back anything you say? Evidenced by what exactly.

Opinions are not fact

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May 30, 2019 22:38:01   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
You imagine what you want to imagine the facts to be. Your conclusions are faulty.

Had Trump been guilty of obstruction or collusion, he could have been charged upon leaving office. It was Muellers job to PROVE collusion or obstruction and say it. He didn't say it because there is no proof. Period.

It was Mueller's job to investigate, preserve the evidence, and file his report.

It was NOT Mueller's job to prove conspiracy or Obstruction of Justice, because trump as the sitting President can't be indicted.

The DOJ OLC long standing memorandum will not allow a sitting president to be indicted or charged for anything.

How many times do you have to hear the same reason over and over?

It's up to Congress to investigate and file Articles of Impeachment if the charges meet their interpretation of High Crimes and Misdemeanors as spelled out in the US Constitution.

That's exactly what Muller stated in his news conference yesterday.

There is more evidence contained in the Mueller Report than was contained in either the Watergate Investigation, or the Clinton Impeachment.

Contrary to your closed mind, trump is in a world of hurt because he chose to side with Russia, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and North Korea over the evidence presented by all of the US Agencies.

The Mueller Report findings are just the starting point for the House of Representatives investigations. They will continue to gather evidence, as they move toward opening Impeachment Investigations. This will not be a rush job impeachment like the GOP did against President Bill Clinton.

Don't be surprised when Senator Mitch McConnell, and Senator Lindsey Graham are both brought up on Obstruction of Justice charges in connection to trump's impeachment. Both of them are already in trouble for ethics violations.

Senator McConnell for a pay to play deal with a Firm Tied to a Russian Oligarch Is Pouring Millions Into Kentucky.

Enter Rusal, a Russian aluminum company that until just three months ago was barred from doing business in the United States in part because of its ties to Deripaska. The Trump administration lifted the sanctions in January after Deripaska agreed to reduce his ownership stake in the Moscow-based company, the world’s second-largest aluminum manufacturer, from 70% to less than 45%.

T***sportation Secretary Elaine Chao failed last year to cash out her stock options in one of the nation’s largest suppliers of highway construction materials, despite a promise she had made to do so in a signed ethics agreement when she joined the Trump administration.

Ms. Chao had served for about two years on the board of directors of the company, Vulcan Materials, an Alabama-based supplier of rock aggregate, which is used in road construction and many other building projects. The board position paid Ms. Chao $110,000 plus $151,000 in stock options in 2016, according to a filing by the company.

As part of her ethics agreement, Ms Chao said that by April 2018 she would take “a cash payout for all of my vested deferred stock units” from Vulcan, effectively ending her financial relationship with the company.

But a financial disclosure report released this month by her husband, Mitch McConnell, the Kentucky Republican who is the Senate majority leader, showed that Ms. Chao had somewhere between $250,000 and $500,000 worth of Vulcan stock. She owned this stock because in April 2018 Vulcan paid her for her stock options in the company’s stock instead of cash, the company said in a statement. Details of her continued ownership of Vulcan stock were reported on Tuesday by The Wall Street Journal.

Senator Graham for his encouragement to Donald Trump, Jr. to violate the law by ignoring the lawful subpoena of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Lindsey “Stonewall” Graham has since further engaged in witness tampering and obstruction of justice which should result in his expulsion from Congress and his disbarment as a lawyer.

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May 30, 2019 22:45:51   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Angmo wrote:
What lie? Can you back anything you say? Evidenced by what exactly.

Opinions are not fact

The lie came when Barr claimed that he didn't know what Mueller thought about his "4 Page Memo" summarizing the Mueller Report, when Mueller had already contacted Barr at least twice before Barr testified before the Senate.

The release of the Mueller letter after Barr had testified in the Senate is the proof that Barr lied. Mueller had already memorized the disagreement with Barr BEFORE Barr testified in the Senate.

No matter how you try to twist it, Barr lied to the Senate.

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May 31, 2019 01:58:52   #
Angmo
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
The lie came when Barr claimed that he didn't know what Mueller thought about his "4 Page Memo" summarizing the Mueller Report, when Mueller had already contacted Barr at least twice before Barr testified before the Senate.

The release of the Mueller letter after Barr had testified in the Senate is the proof that Barr lied. Mueller had already memorized the disagreement with Barr BEFORE Barr testified in the Senate.

No matter how you try to twist it, Barr lied to the Senate.
The lie came when Barr claimed that he didn't know... (show quote)


Comprehension issue. Read and
Listen carefully. Then hang your head low.

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May 31, 2019 07:27:53   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
The lie came when Barr claimed that he didn't know what Mueller thought about his "4 Page Memo" summarizing the Mueller Report, when Mueller had already contacted Barr at least twice before Barr testified before the Senate.

The release of the Mueller letter after Barr had testified in the Senate is the proof that Barr lied. Mueller had already memorized the disagreement with Barr BEFORE Barr testified in the Senate.

No matter how you try to twist it, Barr lied to the Senate.
The lie came when Barr claimed that he didn't know... (show quote)

Here we go again!

You have got to be more specific when you accuse somebody of lying. You just can't summarize your thoughts and conclude that it is a lie. You need to give actual quotes. Barr was not even asked what Mueller thought of Barr's report. Here is a transcript of the "supposed" lie that William Barr told to Congress about the Mueller report. I will leave it up to the readers of this comment to come to their own conclusions because it is so obvious that Barr gave an accurate testimony.

REPRESENTATIVE CHARLIE CRIST: "Reports have emerged recently, General, that members of the special counsel’s team are frustrated at some level with the limited information included in your March 24th letter . . . that it does not adequately or accurately necessarily portray the report’s findings. Do you know what they’re referencing with that?"

ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR: "No, I don’t. I think — I think . . . I suspect that they probably wanted more put out, but, in my view, I was not interested in putting out summaries or trying to summarize because I think any summary, regardless of who prepares it, not only runs the risk of, you know, being under-inclusive or over-inclusive, but also, you know, would trigger a lot of discussion and analysis that really should await everything coming out at once. So I was not interested in a summary of the report. . . . I felt that I should state the bottom line conclusions and I tried to use Special Counsel Mueller’s own language in doing that."

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May 31, 2019 07:38:46   #
McKinneyMike Loc: Texas
 
Steven Seward wrote:
But that is not quite what he told Barr, Rosenstein, and O'Callaghan.


And you know this how????? Did Barr record these supposed discussions? Barr has shown himself to be nothing more than an unadulterated liar, in the vain of his boss. Mueller has a lifetime of document service. Barr has been a political pawn since he started under Bush. He has never changed his spots. Hell he wrote an editorial to apply for this job! What will it take for the brainwashed to look at all the accumulated facts from Mueller's probe and realize that your Daddy is a criminal?

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May 31, 2019 07:42:14   #
McKinneyMike Loc: Texas
 
Steven Seward wrote:
Here we go again!

You have got to be more specific when you accuse somebody of lying. You just can't summarize your thoughts and conclude that it is a lie. You need to give actual quotes. Barr was not even asked what Mueller thought of Barr's report. Here is a transcript of the "supposed" lie that William Barr told to Congress about the Mueller report. I will leave it up to the readers of this comment to come to their own conclusions because it is so obvious that Barr gave an accurate testimony.

REPRESENTATIVE CHARLIE CRIST: "Reports have emerged recently, General, that members of the special counsel’s team are frustrated at some level with the limited information included in your March 24th letter . . . that it does not adequately or accurately necessarily portray the report’s findings. Do you know what they’re referencing with that?"

ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR: "No, I don’t. I think — I think . . . I suspect that they probably wanted more put out, but, in my view, I was not interested in putting out summaries or trying to summarize because I think any summary, regardless of who prepares it, not only runs the risk of, you know, being under-inclusive or over-inclusive, but also, you know, would trigger a lot of discussion and analysis that really should await everything coming out at once. So I was not interested in a summary of the report. . . . I felt that I should state the bottom line conclusions and I tried to use Special Counsel Mueller’s own language in doing that."
Here we go again! br br You have got to be more s... (show quote)


So Barr instead gives "his summary" to influence public perception of what Mueller's Report! Propaganda to provide cover to Trump was all that was, as it flew in the face of what Mueller had said in the Report. If anyone with half a brain cell left in their head reads Mueller's Report, it is instantly obvious as to the obstructions in detail and backed up with testimony from many witnesses. Barr has only his lies to the public to stand behind.

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May 31, 2019 07:48:38   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
McKinneyMike wrote:
So Barr instead gives "his summary" to influence public perception of what Mueller's Report! Propaganda to provide cover to Trump was all that was, as it flew in the face of what Mueller had said in the Report. If anyone with half a brain cell left in their head reads Mueller's Report, it is instantly obvious as to the obstructions in detail and backed up with testimony from many witnesses. Barr has only his lies to the public to stand behind.


You are walking talking proof of the old adage It's Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.

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May 31, 2019 08:00:22   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
McKinneyMike wrote:
And you know this how????? Did Barr record these supposed discussions? Barr has shown himself to be nothing more than an unadulterated liar, in the vain of his boss. Mueller has a lifetime of document service. Barr has been a political pawn since he started under Bush. He has never changed his spots. Hell he wrote an editorial to apply for this job! What will it take for the brainwashed to look at all the accumulated facts from Mueller's probe and realize that your Daddy is a criminal?

Well, We have Barr stating what Mueller told him in the presence of two other witnesses. We also have Mueller not challenging Barr's statement about it at all. What do you have???

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May 31, 2019 08:02:12   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
McKinneyMike wrote:
So Barr instead gives "his summary" to influence public perception of what Mueller's Report! Propaganda to provide cover to Trump was all that was, as it flew in the face of what Mueller had said in the Report. If anyone with half a brain cell left in their head reads Mueller's Report, it is instantly obvious as to the obstructions in detail and backed up with testimony from many witnesses. Barr has only his lies to the public to stand behind.

So again, tell me where the "lie" was. I gave you the quote. All you do is is what Bill O'Reilly calls "Bloviating." No actual facts.

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