John_F wrote:
It is a three step process. Step 1 is the question “will you be a surrogate?” Step 2 is the answer “Yes or No.”
Step 3 is a contract defining terms and conditions and compensation. What if it becomes evident that the fetus can not survive as expected. What if it becomes evident the surrogate will not survive. What if any of the greatly varied list of consequences become evident.
You bring up more questions yet failed to answer the OP question. Would you like to give it another shot without the usual deflection tactic?
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EyeSawYou wrote:
Here's a difficult question to answer for pro-a******nists.
How do you explain "my body" for gestational surrogate Mothers? Who's body is it now? The biological mother, surrogate mother, or is it really the child's body?
"In gestational surrogacy, the child is not biologically related to the surrogate mother, who is often referred to as a gestational carrier. Instead, the embryo is created via in vitro fertilization (IVF), using the eggs and sperm of the intended parents or donors, and is then t***sferred to the surrogate."
https://surrogate.com/about-surrogacy/types-of-surrogacy/what-is-gestational-surrogacy/Here's a difficult question to answer for pro-a***... (
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It’s a contract law question.
EyeSawYou wrote:
You bring up more questions yet failed to answer the OP question. Would you like to give it another shot without the usual deflection tactic?
Not one of our lefty hogs who have responded have answered the original question have they! Clearly they know they cannot back-up their position.
gorgehiker wrote:
No one is "pro-a******n". Some people are pro-choice, meaning that a woman has the right to make her own decision about her body. Gloria Steinem stated, "If men could get pregnant, a******n would be a sacrament". I do know that if men could get pregnant, 25 white men in Alabama would have v**ed differently!
A leftie man can identity as being a woman and get pregnant. That’s so obvious.
papakatz45 wrote:
Not one of our lefty hogs who have responded have answered the original question have they! Clearly they know they cannot back-up their position.
Maybe they are searching for a clever way to spin their answers, I think I just check mated them. lol
EyeSawYou wrote:
Let's try this again, maybe you like most other Lefties on here have reading comprehension deficiencies.
How do you explain "my body" for gestational surrogate Mothers? Who's body is it now? The biological mother, surrogate mother, or is it really the child's body?
"In gestational surrogacy, the child is not biologically related to the surrogate mother, who is often referred to as a gestational carrier. Instead, the embryo is created via in vitro fertilization (IVF), using the eggs and sperm of the intended parents or donors, and is then t***sferred to the surrogate."
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This argument is a diversion tactic. The fact is the infant is in the surrogate’s body; making relationships irrelevant. That is not to say I’m an a******n fan...not so. I simply believe this argument is diversionary.
gorgehiker wrote:
No one is "pro-a******n". Some people are pro-choice, meaning that a woman has the right to make her own decision about her body. Gloria Steinem stated, "If men could get pregnant, a******n would be a sacrament". I do know that if men could get pregnant, 25 white men in Alabama would have v**ed differently!
If men could get pregnant, the entirety of civilization would have evolved to have men as caregivers and women and h****r-gatherers, the 30's would have made movies where men were the uneducated objects of either affection or scorn, the 60's would have seen men protesting all the dead women soldiers in Vietnam, and would have seen jock burnings, and finally, would have seen 2019 death mongers claiming that :"if women could get pregnant...."
Murray wrote:
This argument is a diversion tactic. The fact is the infant is in the surrogate’s body; making relationships irrelevant. That is not to say I’m an a******n fan...not so. I simply believe this argument is diversionary.
Wrong, it is your response that is a diversion tactic so as not to answer the OP question because you know your answer, IF honest, will deflate the Lefty narrative of "My body, my choice".
EyeSawYou wrote:
Wrong, it is your response that is a diversion tactic so as not to answer the OP question because you know your answer, IF honest, will deflate the Lefty narrative of "My body, my choice".
Didn't the host body agree to renting out her uterus in the first place?
If I rent you an apartment, I still own the apartment, so obviously,her body still belongs to her.
I don't believe there's any case law on the matter but if the surrogate mother gives birth and decides not to give the child to the original egg donor, wouldn't the court uphold the right of the "birth" mother to do that or would they force her to give the child to the contract holder?
What you're asking for hasn't yet been tested in a court of law but feel free to arrange a test case if you've got the money and the motivation.
Frank T wrote:
Didn't the host body agree to renting out her uterus in the first place?
If I rent you an apartment, I still own the apartment, so obviously,her body still belongs to her.
I don't believe there's any case law on the matter but if the surrogate mother gives birth and decides not to give the child to the original egg donor, wouldn't the court uphold the right of the "birth" mother to do that or would they force her to give the child to the contract holder?
What you're asking for hasn't yet been tested in a court of law but feel free to arrange a test case if you've got the money and the motivation.
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So you do admit it’s the baby’s body not mom’s. Remember that
Angmo wrote:
So you do admit it’s the baby’s body not mom’s. Remember that
Every time they dodge a hole they land in a well.
Angmo wrote:
So you do admit it’s the baby’s body not mom’s. Remember that
Where in my answer does it say that?
It simply talks to the host (female adult) and the donor (female adult with fertilized egg).
The baby is simply the end product.
What I'm telling you is that it's a contract, plain and simple.
If the host decides to abort the implanted embryo she'd be in violation of the written contract but no one could stop her from doing that.
If the host decides to give birth and keep the baby, she can probably do that too.
However and it's a big however, As there is no case law on this matter, I cannot say with any degree of certainty what the end decision of the courts will be.
It has nothing to do with it being the "babie's body" and I never said it did.
EyeSawYou wrote:
Wrong, it is your response that is a diversion tactic so as not to answer the OP question because you know your answer, IF honest, will deflate the Lefty narrative of "My body, my choice".
Actually I did, but you obviously need some help. The body is the one that is carrying the child.
Frank T wrote:
Where in my answer does it say that?
Is there such a thing as writing comprehension? Lol
Angmo wrote:
Is there such a thing as writing comprehension? Lol
FHG, You should be the last one to criticize anyone's writing.
You can't even tell the difference between a real hero and a poser.
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