Been some discussion about the validity of the Term - APS-C - to describe Crop Cameras ... what else?
May 16, 2019 19:50:35 #
It appears, we've fallen into a "sticky wicket" as the Brits like to say, and that is - that APS-C - is actually a misnomer, since it applied to a class of cameras (latter days of 35mm film) - which no longer exist … and that since - technically - they're no longer around - we need a better naming convention. Many here are used to calling APS-C/DX cameras - CROP cameras, since they halve the image produced by FF sensors. However, so do MFT cameras - which HALVE the image, once again. That being said - we really need to name a better term, and organize a movement which will be absorbed by all takers, and come up with a more suitable name or acronym. Are there any suggestions, which many of us could take to our bosoms?
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or … er … … or - er … May 16, 2019 20:04:58 #
"Crop" certainly is easier to say and I don't have to memorize a bunch of different letters for different camera manufactures, not that I care to.
(Still don't know which a DX v. FX is, Don't have that brand, don't need to know.)
(Still don't know which a DX v. FX is, Don't have that brand, don't need to know.)
May 16, 2019 20:15:44 #
Longshadow wrote:
"Crop" certainly is easier to say and I don't have to memorize a bunch of different letters for different camera manufactures, not that I care to.
(Still don't know which a DX v. FX is, Don't have that brand, don't need to know.)
(Still don't know which a DX v. FX is, Don't have that brand, don't need to know.)
ALL of the various current DX and FX cameras made and marketed by Nikon, have been itemized, by me, in the post entitled FX vs. DX … along with ALL the current APS-C and FF cameras marketed by Canon …
But, that's NOT what this post is about, Bill. It's about the validity of using a dated Acronym to describe a "crop-sensor" camera … and whether it even makes sense to call it a CROP - since, that term could just as easily be assigned to the MFT format - which halves the APS-C (or, whatever else we come up with) format!
May 16, 2019 20:20:08 #
May 16, 2019 20:23:34 #
Chris T wrote:
ALL of the various current DX and FX cameras made ... (show quote)
Sorry, I thought that was a substantiation that using the word "crop" for all would be simpler, explaining with the Nikon model prefixes.
May 16, 2019 20:26:54 #
How about this, pick a camera and a lens and learn how to use it instead of waisting time on nonsense.
May 16, 2019 20:27:19 #
mrpentaxk5ii wrote:
Photography is all about letters and numbers, it's not all that hard.
No, photography is not hard, worrying about all the letters and numbers is.
May 16, 2019 20:30:03 #
People who use cameras to take pictures, for the most part, have no issue with this.
It might be an issue for those who prefer talking about the cameras.
Can you provide a link to these discussions you mentioned?
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It might be an issue for those who prefer talking about the cameras.
Can you provide a link to these discussions you mentioned?
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May 16, 2019 20:40:01 #
Bill_de wrote:
People who use cameras to take pictures, for the most part, have no issue with this.
It might be an issue for those who prefer talking about the cameras.
Can you provide a link to these discussions you mentioned?
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It might be an issue for those who prefer talking about the cameras.
Can you provide a link to these discussions you mentioned?
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Most certainly, Bill … the concern was first expressed by rmorrison …
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-591854-15.html#10157437
May 16, 2019 20:40:14 #
APS-C was a film format of a defined size. The "crop' sensor term is imprecise since everything is cropped compared to the ultimate Full Frame 16x24---or whatever the biggest sheet of film in current use ever was. Full frame, by the same reckoning is also imprecise. But since the camera form factor of most DSLR and MILC's resemble a 35mm SLR, we've been working in that area. By the way, they were once referred as "miniature" formats. I use APS-C(etc) to differentiate that frame size from the 4/3 and M4/3 formats that are also by 35mm film and digital sensor standards, "crop."
All cameras, well constructed and matched with a good shutter mechanism and optics are capable image makers. They ALL suffer from disadvantages and well as prosper from advantages in certain circumstances. As our Mother tongue slang has it, horses for courses.
See it, visualize it, compose it and expose it. Good work equals good photographs.
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All cameras, well constructed and matched with a good shutter mechanism and optics are capable image makers. They ALL suffer from disadvantages and well as prosper from advantages in certain circumstances. As our Mother tongue slang has it, horses for courses.
See it, visualize it, compose it and expose it. Good work equals good photographs.
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May 16, 2019 20:53:23 #
Photocraig wrote:
APS-C was a film format of a defined size. The &qu... (show quote)
Think you mean 16x20 … but, I think there may have been one or two sizes even bigger than that, Craig.
See - now, that's what I mean - Crop doesn't work, since MFTs use a "cropped" image, too - vs. FF.
And, APS-C isn't a correct term, either … neither is Half-Frame … needs a new naming convention.
May 16, 2019 20:56:11 #
Chris T wrote:
Most certainly, Bill … the concern was first expressed by rmorrison …
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-591854-15.html#10157437
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-591854-15.html#10157437
Thank You.
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May 16, 2019 21:00:58 #
Chris T wrote:
It appears, we've fallen into a "sticky wicke... (show quote)
The APS which stands for "Advanced Photo System" is dead, camera, film etc.. But the term APS-C is just a size. The APS system has 3 sizes. The uncropped frame (APS-H) is 30.2x16.7mm (which is 16:9 aspect ratio). Cropping the long size to make 3:2 aspect ratio (APS-C) print like 4x6 it would be 25.1x16.7. And then they can also crop the short size to make a panoramic (APS-P) and it is 30.2x9.5mm (3:1 aspect ratio).
So APS-C only means 25.1x16.7mm size which by the way is larger than the APS-C imaging sensor.
May 16, 2019 21:04:28 #
Bill_de wrote:
Thank You.
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Sure, Bill … enjoy the thread … not mine … title is "FX vs DX" … up to 14 or so pages, now …
May 16, 2019 21:07:34 #
BebuLamar wrote:
The APS which stands for "Advanced Photo Syst... (show quote)
Yes, true, Bebu … Canon's is about 15x22, whilst Nikon, Sony, Fuji, Pentax, et al - is around 16x24 …
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