dpfoto Loc: Cape Coral, FL

I'm not really interested in horse racing, or ANY racing for that matter, but the recent news about the Kentucky Derby (KD) makes me wonder;

Horse #1 crosses the line first, and is declared the winner
People who had bet on him were in line to collect their winnings, and before he was disqualified, I assume some of them had collected their $$$.

Horse #1 was then disqualified, and horse #2 was declared the winner. The people who had bet on #2 then collected THEIR winnings.

The Horse #1 team then filed an appeal (or whatever they call it in horse racing). If that appeal is finally granted, and horse #1 becomes the winner again, All of those who had originally bet on him would want their winning $$$.

How will all that play out in the end? does everybody keep the $$$ they have collected?

Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona

Good question. One of many reasons I quit betting horses and dogs many years ago.

TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA

I would bet that they do not pay anyone until the questions are all answered. All penalties, disqualification or otherwise, and challenges are reviewed before the winner becomes official. At times it has taken hours for all of that to happen in the past. It probably takes less time today due to advances in technology.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

And over in London a nurse was denied the new world/Guinness marathon record for a Nurse in Uniform because she was wearing a modern nurse's uniform consisting of blue scrubs instead of the old fashioned dress, apron and cap. She broke the old record by over 1/2 minute.
I wonder if a male nurse would be required to wear the dress uniform or aren't male nurses really nurse enough to compete?

ahudina Loc: Browns Point, WA

ahudina Loc: Browns Point, WA

Somehow my response did not show up. In response if there is an inquiry or protest at the concludion of a race no bets are paid out until the inquiry is resolved and the results posted as final.

Sunnely Loc: Wisconsin

Agree!

Until the just finished race is declared "OFFICIAL," nobody can collect their winnings. If none of the stewards asked for an inquiry and no objections received by the officials from any of the jockey, trainer, owner of the participating horses, then the race is declared, "OFFICIAL." Only there and then can the winning bets be collected. OTOH, if an inquiry or objection is received, the officials will review the tape to see if there is any validity to the objection and make the necessary changes or none at all. While the officials are reviewing the tape, the race remains, "UNOFFICIAL."

In the case of the last Kentucky Derby, it looks like #20 (Country House's Jockey) with support from # 18 (Long Range Toddy's Jockey) objected to the UNOFFICIAL result (#7, Maximum Security winning the race) claiming he (#7) obstructed his path that affected his momentum and his chance of winning the race. The officials reviewed the tape and agreed with him (#20). He was then declared the winner and #7 was disqualified.

After arriving at this decision, the race was then declared, "OFFICIAL" with the results as follows: #20 as the winner, #13 (Code of Honor) moved up to number 2, #8 (Tacitus) moved up to number 3, and #5 (Improbable) moved up to number 4. Number 7 was DQ. This is the only time that winners can start collecting their winnings. It is therefore important to hold on to your tickets until the race is declared, "OFFICIAL."

The offshoot of this happening is that, #20 (Country House), a long shot to win the KY Derby, is now the only horse who has the chance to win the Triple Crown (KY Derby, Preakness and Belmont), while #7 (Maximum Security), the odds-on favorite to win the KY Derby, a really fast horse, and the horse with the highly favorite to bag the Triple Crown, lost his chance. With a better jockey, he'll probably take the Preakness and Belmont but a small consolation.

Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada

An interesting take... apparently the jockey was cleared of any interference. The action was strictly by the horse. This should be an interesting grounds for appeal.

Dik

Sunnely Loc: Wisconsin

I doubt OFFICIAL results of the race will be overturned.

1. Appeals may take years and by then race aficionados have moved on.

2. It was muddy condition but every horse was subjected to it.

3. The noise of the crowd, the muddy condition, and the sheer number of horses can spook a fast but young horse and veer to one side. But how does one prove that unless the horse admits it on the stand. (LOL). IMO, a seasoned jockey would have better control of the horse.

Just my 2 cents.

toxdoc42

POTUS proclaimed that the best horse did not win the race. I imagine he will ask for a thorough investigation.

Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada

Concur


I think that has little to do with the 'accident' and any and all horses could have been subject to 'slippage'.


Conditions may have been beyond his control... accidents happen.

My $0.03 ($0.02 US)

Dik

John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK

Guinness Book of Records are reviewing their policy. I think they'll find in her favour especially as her is featured in some national press this morning. Only one member (out of 7) is wearing a dress - and she's got trews on underneath!

Dannj

That’s correct. No money is paid out until the results are declared “official”.

Dannj

raypep

I watched a horse race before the main race at the Derby and at the end “under review” appeared on the screen. It said “ X unofficial winner” Shortly afterwards X was announced as the winner.

I believe they do this to avoid the scenario you wondered about. No money paid out until the stewards declare the winner.