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May 6, 2019 06:41:27   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
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May 6, 2019 06:45:44   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
runyanp wrote:
........Reset minimum ISO to 200 and left max to 20,000 and shot without any exp comp in dark garage and got blinkies on first try!.....



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May 6, 2019 06:55:52   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
runyanp wrote:
I am shooting fox kits using a Nikon D500 with the 70-300 af-p 4/5.6 fx lens. Also shooting with my Nikon D7200 with the 80-400 af 4/5.6 fx lens. Using matrix metering, manual mode, auto ISO with shutter speed, focal length and aperture the same. The Nikon D500 combo always needs exposure compensation of +1.0 or +1.3. I do not have any filters over the lens, have updated my firmware and searched the internet for answers. Shouldn't they be almost the same exposure? Most of my issues are operator error, so consider this first. Thanks so much for any consideration.
I am shooting fox kits using a Nikon D500 with the... (show quote)


I would test in this fashion.

Find a target with consistent lighting and more or less even lighting. Better yet, use a calibrated grey card as your target.

https://www.adorama.com/dkgc.html?gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=Cj0KCQjwtr_mBRDeARIsALfBZA71LB0b2e74ChAebOsxQSfOZYrzg2J3gQEdy8L5QIHJ1x4nOju2BrAaAp64EALw_wcB

Using a tripod, set one camera to spot metering and manual exposure settings, and pick an ISO that works. Take some shots, with one lens. then the other, then swap the bodies and do the same.

Your description of your testing seems to leave a few variables - metering, two different lenses but only on two different cameras, auto ISO, etc.

Lenses have different light transmission, and unless you hold all parameters and test for one, you really won't be able to assess whether it is the combination of the D500 and the 70-300 that is requiring exposure comp, or the lens. And by only comparing one camera and lens to another, you will never really know if you have a defective camera or lens.

Another quick check is to compare your settings to a standard EV chart. The chart will have some common scenes and an exposure setting suggestion.

A third way is to go out on a sunny, cloudless day and set your camera for "Sunny 16" and choose subjects that are generally sunlit and preferably average contrast - not women in white dresses standing in front of black limousines. A value of EV15 (bright hazy sun) F16 at ISO 100, 1/125 sec or any combination that works to provide the same exposure - such as 1/250 at F11, 1/500 at F8, etc.

http://www.irismasters.com/exposure-value-table-for-easier-photography/

Any number of things can be wrong - a mis-calibrated shutter, sticky aperture blades, different light transmission between lenses, mis-calibrated meter, to mention a few.

Then there is this to consider:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4097249

It could very well be how the D500 handles matrix metering compared to other cameras.

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May 6, 2019 07:05:12   #
runyanp
 
Gene51 wrote:
I would test in this fashion.

Find a target with consistent lighting and more or less even lighting. Better yet, use a calibrated grey card as your target.

https://www.adorama.com/dkgc.html?gclsrc=aw.ds&gclid=Cj0KCQjwtr_mBRDeARIsALfBZA71LB0b2e74ChAebOsxQSfOZYrzg2J3gQEdy8L5QIHJ1x4nOju2BrAaAp64EALw_wcB

Using a tripod, set one camera to spot metering and manual exposure settings, and pick an ISO that works. Take some shots, with one lens. then the other, then swap the bodies and do the same.

Your description of your testing seems to leave a few variables - metering, two different lenses but only on two different cameras, auto ISO, etc.

Lenses have different light transmission, and unless you hold all parameters and test for one, you really won't be able to assess whether it is the combination of the D500 and the 70-300 that is requiring exposure comp, or the lens. And by only comparing one camera and lens to another, you will never really know if you have a defective camera or lens.

Another quick check is to compare your settings to a standard EV chart. The chart will have some common scenes and an exposure setting suggestion.

A third way is to go out on a sunny, cloudless day and set your camera for "Sunny 16" and choose subjects that are generally sunlit and preferably average contrast - not women in white dresses standing in front of black limousines. A value of EV15 (bright hazy sun) F16 at ISO 100, 1/125 sec or any combination that works to provide the same exposure - such as 1/250 at F11, 1/500 at F8, etc.

http://www.irismasters.com/exposure-value-table-for-easier-photography/

Any number of things can be wrong - a mis-calibrated shutter, sticky aperture blades, different light transmission between lenses, mis-calibrated meter, to mention a few.

Then there is this to consider:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4097249

It could very well be how the D500 handles matrix metering compared to other cameras.
I would test in this fashion. br br Find a target... (show quote)


Thank you so much for all the information. I will test with a gray card, and test out all the variables. Will let you know what results I get by the weekend.

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May 6, 2019 07:07:51   #
The Villages Loc: The Villages, Florida
 
I would think it best to take auto ISO off and set manually......if you want the 2 to be set the same. A slight movement could change exposure.

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May 6, 2019 09:04:54   #
radiojohn
 
Meters are set to assume if you "blend" all the light, it averages out to 18% gray. A black cat on a snow bank or a white cat on a coal pile is an extreme example as times when the 18% average will fail.

A hand-held incident light meter with a dome reads the light falling on the meter, not bouncing off the subject and avoids the problem faced by reflected meters in cameras. Camera meters have gotten very good, but are not perfect. That's why there is exposure compensation on practically all cameras.

Once upon a time, some photographers used a "gray card" and metered off that.

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May 6, 2019 14:57:05   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
I think you found your problem. Don't be embarrassed, we all have it happen from time time. I often forget to return the settings selections to a "normal" set after setting for an unusual situation. Then, the next time you shoot, you wonder "....wha happened?"

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