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May 3, 2019 13:18:37   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
10MPlayer wrote:
I'm very critical of my own work, probably more so than I am of others. That's why I rarely post pictures. I only do it when I have something I'm proud of.


same here

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May 3, 2019 13:21:55   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
fotoman150 wrote:
Thanks guys. I feel better knowing others have the same feeling at times.


Yes, I'm very critical of my own images but I do at times please myself.

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May 3, 2019 14:26:37   #
fotoman150
 
Xanadu wrote:
If you thought all or most of your photos were perfect or near perfect, there might be a problem. I think we all strive for improvement. The intensity of that effort depends on the subject and the individual.
My advice? Carry on!


That was a helpful post. Your right. Never thought about it that way.

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May 3, 2019 14:26:37   #
Kozan Loc: Trenton Tennessee
 
fotoman150 wrote:
I like color photos with dark, rich colors and I adjust them so in PP.

When I convert to black and white and try different settings I just can’t make it look as good as other people’s black and white even when I look at YouTube videos and use presets. I just really don’t like black and white but some people can do it really well and it’s acceptable.

Same thing for that light and airy look. Sometimes I think it looks good for weddings. I try that in camera and in PP and it looks like s**t. It just looks overexposed when I do it. Although I saw one person’ light and airy that was so overexposed you could barely tell there was an image in the photo and I felt it was way over done.

And about half the time everyone else’s photography looks better than mine. Even when I get a lot of compliments from my clients and friends.

It’s like I’m my own worst critic. Every so often I create a shot that I’m really proud of.

Does anyone else have these feelings?
I like color photos with dark, rich colors and I a... (show quote)


Perhaps you are not adjusting the colors individually to get the right look you want. I hope you are not just reducing saturation, because that is not the best way to get a B&W image. You should be adjusting red, green, blue, cyan, yellow, and magenta separately to get the individual tones you want.

I, too, am critical of my own work. That's why I don't post in photo contests unless the photo is so good that I have a chance of winning.

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May 3, 2019 14:30:13   #
fotoman150
 
Kozan wrote:
Perhaps you are not adjusting the colors individually to get the right look you want. I hope you are not just reducing saturation, because that is not the best way to get a B&W image. You should be adjusting red, green, blue, cyan, yellow, and magenta separately to get the individual tones you want.

I, too, am critical of my own work. That's why I don't post in photo contests unless the photo is so good that I have a chance of winning.


I’m the same way.

Along the lines of previous discussion. I’ve seen black and white that I liked but not not much. And when I do it it just looks blah. But other people do it and it can look good. I don’t know. I’m contradicting myself.

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May 3, 2019 14:31:54   #
fotoman150
 
Kozan wrote:
Perhaps you are not adjusting the colors individually to get the right look you want. I hope you are not just reducing saturation, because that is not the best way to get a B&W image. You should be adjusting red, green, blue, cyan, yellow, and magenta separately to get the individual tones you want.

I, too, am critical of my own work. That's why I don't post in photo contests unless the photo is so good that I have a chance of winning.


All I know about black and white is that it’s supposed to be contrasty.

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May 3, 2019 14:35:39   #
fotoman150
 
tomcat wrote:
Ditto on the "light and airy" look. I cannot stand to see that "expression"--I really think it is due to folks that don't know how to adjust the background shutter speed and overexpose it. There is absolutely no reason why the background highlights should blow out with a skilled photographer. The "point and shooters" or the "smwac" are the ones that do this and I detest those images. arrrrrgh.....

Regarding the b/w conversion, try playing with the color filter options in LR (or Nik Silver Efex). Back in the film days, whenever we shot b/w film, we would always slap a yellow filter on the lens to darken the sky. You can adjust these sliders to give you the best gradations between blacks and whites so that the entire image is not gray.
Ditto on the "light and airy" look. I... (show quote)


Sorry. What’s smwac?

I think it’s a whole style that I think can look good if it’s done right. But when I do it it just looks overexposed.

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May 3, 2019 14:42:12   #
fotoman150
 
rodpark2 wrote:
Not sure I understand. Do you convert the already edited and deeply saturated shot, or start from the original when converting to B&W. I recommend starting from scratch. In Photoshop I've found the B&W adjustment very important allowing the adjustment of colors separately into B&W, allowing more control and separation of different colors that are similar same tones in monochrome.


I’ve tried a couple of different ways. Mostly by desaturation and bumping up the contrast. Never really mastered it. Maybe everyone is right. I’m just not trying hard enough. I’m being lazy. I’m going to see if I can find a good tutorial or online class or book.

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May 3, 2019 14:46:22   #
fotoman150
 
G Brown wrote:
Perhaps you are trying to do, rather than researching How to do. Monochrome is a genre of Photography with both a history and a modern following. As you say some people 'can do this' very well. Perhaps you need to re-look at tutorials and 'actually follow them' rather than trying to remember 'how'. Certain subjects lend themselves to Black and White - The Mill towns in the UK or perhaps Inner City US. Talk to Graham on UHH he can get a cafe shot to work. Investigate why you are not satisfied.
High Key and Low Key again is a technique not simply a case of merely altering the F stop. The right lens and the right light - not necessarily a bright back light. Read up and practice till you feel confident (again).

One of the problems with Photography is that it often is a solitary pursuit. You can be confident in 50 - 60% of situations and then BANG.....nothing works because you are into a whole different situation. So you move on and look for something safe to Photograph.

Whist I agree that creating your own style is important....it is not an excuse to stop 'researching and trying different things'. The internet has a wide range of tutorials -written and video, that can re-introduce you to the techniques (and Kit) to do 'anything'.

I can show my friends and family really crap images and they say 'that's nice'. But they don't really understand what makes a great image.....plus they are polite. Some on UHH complain that they get a whole list of negative feedback - is it always undeserved? Negative feedback is a positive area of research and re learning.

Working on your own is difficult - especially when you have no 'reason' to stretch yourself. No critical editor, no critical workload, no set agenda etc.

A wedding Photographer for example not only has to work to a set group of images BUT also add 'something unique'. The fashion of wedding images constantly changes, so new techniques need to be mastered rather than 'tried'. The demands are increasing as 'joe public' now owns a camera!!! So easy for a hobbyist to stick with 'what they know'.

Have I said anything NICE yet?
Perhaps you are trying to do, rather than research... (show quote)


I’m going to take your advice and study up on the black and white and the light and airy look. Even though I really like deep rich colors I should try to branch out.

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May 3, 2019 14:48:37   #
fotoman150
 
Retired CPO wrote:
Uh Oh! You did it now! You're going to be tarred and feathered for daring to besmirch Adams. I'm not even going to get close to you, the blow back would char me to a smoking cinder.


LOL. Didn’t realize I would start a war with that one. Sorry. I look at his work and try so hard to like it because everyone else likes it and I just don’t see it.

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May 3, 2019 14:52:22   #
fotoman150
 
I said that I have seen tutorials on black and white but truthfully only a few. Apparently I’m just not trying hard enough. Today I’m going to look into some tutorials and maybe buy Nik Silver effects. Unless you guys think I can do well with PS and LR.

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May 3, 2019 15:29:52   #
photogeneralist Loc: Lopez Island Washington State
 
I often look at and appreciate another photographers work. I never compare my work to the work of others' I might ttink Wow- that photog does really good work, but I never think MY work doesn't match their work. It's not about a contest or even a comparison.

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May 3, 2019 16:01:38   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
It might help to remember that not all images can be made into B&W. Some are more suitable than others.

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May 3, 2019 16:22:43   #
RWArnold
 
For B/W I love the not available anymore Picasa. Change from color to B/W is so easy and, you can run your photo through any filter or combination thereof for beautiful pics.
Sure wish Google would bring Picasa back again. I use Lightroom for most of my post processing.

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May 3, 2019 17:41:24   #
1DProphet
 
Hard truth, rules and standards apply to every aspect of our lives, everyday we can observe the newest wow that’s cool thing, I really want to do that, but from the five basic tenets of sales to how to convert color digital files to black and white are dictated by education in the discipline, go far enough and your a pro, as most are aware there are multiple ways to accomplish any given thing in photoshop, so challenge yourself to ask why do I do it this way, they all have specific things they attack/handle best, black and white conversion is really color science, a quick read to dip your toe in the pond - from Oz to Kansas - Vincent Versace, simple yet complex, remember this is just your toe in the black and white conversion pond!

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