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Apr 26, 2019 08:31:07   #
tomcat
 
siamesecatmanuk wrote:
I am reading and hopefully absorbing ( definitely enjoying ) all the replies.
Sorry to shift my focus yet again !but Nikon d800e has now been thrown into my minds mix,as a possible contender,any advice on that anyone ?
Graham


If you go back to the original specs where you wanted a camera that can shoot in very low light, then the D800 series is NOT the one. I had a D800, kept it for less than 6 months and traded it for the D750. It will generate a lot of noise because of the smaller sensor pixel units being so densely packed. I have seen some excellent sports shots from the D850, but I don't know how the shooters managed to accomplish this without the noise from the earlier models in the series. So you have to ask yourself how important it is to have the best image you can capture in your low light conditions. If it is still your number 1 objective, then the D3s is the logical choice.

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Apr 26, 2019 19:48:41   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
tomcat wrote:
If you go back to the original specs where you wanted a camera that can shoot in very low light, then the D800 series is NOT the one. I had a D800, kept it for less than 6 months and traded it for the D750. It will generate a lot of noise because of the smaller sensor pixel units being so densely packed. I have seen some excellent sports shots from the D850, but I don't know how the shooters managed to accomplish this without the noise from the earlier models in the series. So you have to ask yourself how important it is to have the best image you can capture in your low light conditions. If it is still your number 1 objective, then the D3s is the logical choice.
If you go back to the original specs where you wan... (show quote)


What is it Tomcat that makes a 10 yr old full frame so much better in low light than the new ones? What are they doing now that is worse than in 2009?? Not making any sense to me.

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Apr 26, 2019 20:05:00   #
tomcat
 
ronpier wrote:
What is it Tomcat that makes a 10 yr old full frame so much better in low light than the new ones? What are they doing now that is worse than in 2009?? Not making any sense to me.


The 12mp sensor!! The D3s (and D4s) sensor light gathering units are huge, nuclear sites just sucking in the light and there is no close-proximity electronic noise interference cross-talk by having other sensor units crammed in the space. THEY CAN BREATHE MAN..... lol.

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Apr 26, 2019 21:33:14   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
tomcat wrote:
The 12mp sensor!! The D3s (and D4s) sensor light gathering units are huge, nuclear sites just sucking in the light and there is no close-proximity electronic noise interference cross-talk by having other sensor units crammed in the space. THEY CAN BREATHE MAN..... lol.


Then it seems like we’ve gone backwards. Is it just a Marketing ploy or is it for better IQ?

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Apr 26, 2019 22:51:33   #
tomcat
 
ronpier wrote:
Then it seems like we’ve gone backwards. Is it just a Marketing ploy or is it for better IQ?


Nikon did. I knew they went backward as soon as I compared the D5 shots in the high school gym that I shoot in. They were very noisy and a lot noisier than I expected--I was really disappointed in the quality at 12-18k iso.

I wish that I could get one of those genius camera repair techs to put the D3s sensor into a D5 body. That would be a super camera. The D5 has better target acquisition but not in the sensor's light gathering ability nor the technology to reduce the noise generated by cramming in those 20+mp.

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Apr 26, 2019 23:24:28   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
tomcat wrote:
Nikon did. I knew they went backward as soon as I compared the D5 shots in the high school gym that I shoot in. They were very noisy and a lot noisier than I expected--I was really disappointed in the quality at 12-18k iso.

I wish that I could get one of those genius camera repair techs to put the D3s sensor into a D5 body. That would be a super camera. The D5 has better target acquisition but not in the sensor's light gathering ability nor the technology to reduce the noise generated by cramming in those 20+mp.
Nikon did. I knew they went backward as soon as I... (show quote)


That’s too bad. Just enjoy the one you have and look out for a deal on a backup “just in case.” Best of luck and good shooting!!

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Apr 27, 2019 00:00:50   #
tomcat
 
ronpier wrote:
That’s too bad. Just enjoy the one you have and look out for a deal on a backup “just in case.” Best of luck and good shooting!!


I did buy one earlier this Fall for a backup. It had very few shutter clicks and is almost new, so I'm keeping it under wraps and using it about once a month, just to keep things loose on it. I had also thought about getting the D4s as a new camera, but it was not worth the extra cost because there was just not that much improvement over the D3s.

Thanks and take care, Tom

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