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Aug 20, 2012 16:38:52   #
greymule Loc: Colorado
 
It must be something about Missouri. Maybe it's all the Meth in Missouri. Maybe it's something in the water. Dunno.

But boy is the populace stupid.

Missouri just passed a state constitutional amendment that is so clearly unconstitutional under the Federal Constitution that it is laughable (although anyone with a lick of sense is not laughing).

The Amendment creates a suspect class based upon religion, and gives rights based on religion that others do not have. That is not to say that the rest of the amendment will pass US Constitutional muster. Here is the offending text in pertinent part-

"... that students may express their beliefs about religion in written and oral assignments free from discrimination based on the religious content of their work; that no student shall be compelled to perform or participate in academic assignments or educational presentations that violate his or her religious beliefs...."

I suppose this concept is directed at evolution, but who knows for sure. I suppose it could be applied in health classes (sex ed., but Missouri probably doesn't have much meaningful sex education at this point, anyway).

After all, Missouri provided "W" with that blazing legal mind, John Ashcroft.

Missouri is certainly an outstanding and fertile ground for intellectual pursuits. The "Show Me" state has shown plenty.

Now we have Todd Atkin, already in Congress, but running for the Senate. What a dildo. What a moron. A mind such as his has no place in deciding the future of this country.

Women's rights to make their own health care decisions is under full attack from the bozos in the GOP.

Let's take a look at how these issues will be under Romney and Paul:

First- "Women in Mormonism are not allowed to hold any priesthood power or major authority positions in the Mormon Church, excluding Relief Society and lower Church callings. Mormon women are often thought of as second class citizens in Mormonism. Men in Mormonism make all of the desicions from the top hiearchy of the LDS Church from the Prophet down to the Bishops. Even though women are allowed to run the Relief Society, they must still be responsible to men. All decisions are made by men regardless."

Mormonism forms the basis of Romney's stance on women's issues, so it's easy to understand the following-

Second- http://news.yahoo.com/mitt-romneys-extreme-views-womens-issues-video-132431421.html

Next- Paul Ryan. Wow! Now there's a compassionate human being. In lock step with Romney and the GOP's attack on women.

Oh, well. Let's all get out and vote. Que sera, sera.

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Aug 20, 2012 16:42:30   #
greymule Loc: Colorado
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:


You can't push off one dumbass as the whole republican party..

Typical of libs and typical of their minions in the press... I guess all Dems like emailing tweeting dic pics out over the web ala Anthony Wiener... makes about as much sense..
quote=greymule It's quite amazing how little Repu... (show quote)


The man simply spoke his mind. It is up to his constituents to approve with his position. He is a man of great faith and strong religious beliefs how dare YOU castigate him for speaking his mind.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=greymule It's quite amazi... (show quote)


LOL RixPix, The man is an idiot, his words probably belie his deeper thoughts that if abortion is ok in cases of rape that women will make false claims of rape in order to have an abortion... this may or not be what was in his mind, but the fact that he said what he said, that if it is a "legitimate rape".. what the hell is that???? Is that like a "Righteous Rape" and then goes on to say something stupid about the womans body's ability to not conceive after forcible rape... He is an idiot, and does not deserve to represent the republican party... What's more is that the party is sending him that message loud and clear as I assure you there is pressure being applied as I write this to get him to withdraw from the race...
quote=RixPix quote=Blurryeyed quote=greymule It... (show quote)


He is speaking mind...he is speaking his constituent's mindset....YOU go outside in your neighborhood and ask about abortion...I know where you live in Florida...you will find more people that agree with him than not. He speaks for a portion of the Republican party's core voters there is no denying THAT fact. The Republican party wants these types of people voting for them...they may never take the actions that fulfill their promises to these voters but they want their vote. These are undeniable facts! The Democratic party is made of "others", the Republican Party is made of believers.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=RixPix quote=Blurryeyed ... (show quote)


LOL I know where I live better than you do and you make assumptions based solely on your bias and I would have to say bigotry... I also know where you live, and many of the issues that you believe and fight for are not so accepted by your own community...
quote=RixPix quote=Blurryeyed quote=RixPix quo... (show quote)


I am not laughing. It is interesting that you are laughing as I didn't say they were your beliefs. I said they were your communities beliefs and they core values of a large percentage of the Republican "Base". There's no denying this no matter how Republican's play to the masses they do not represent the views of the majority of people in this country. These little incidents of Republican elected officials speaking their mind can very disconcerting to oligarchs such as yourself. This association with fundamentalists such as this Congressman soils everyone in the party no matter regardless of whether you agree with the position or not. That's the beauty of politics....it reminds me of that old Italian movie La Cage Aux Folles...the head of the conservative party is caught with a whore and the rest of the party feels the effects. The Republican party has a long way to go to put this behind them. I can't wait to see what happens next to either party it certainly not a boring election cycle.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=RixPix quote=Blurryeyed ... (show quote)


Conservatives are not as monolithic as you assume... they are hardly different than are democrats in that there is a broad variance on their political thought. The one thing that conservatives agree on is that the federal government has become to large, inefficient, and that it should be reigned in instead of expanding its power and foot print in the economy.. In my opinion you make the mistake of placing to much import on the religious right and the most ardent of the Tea Party folks... they themselves are not in agreement on many of the issues but they have been successful in finding a voice that as individuals 5 years ago they did not have.. Not all conservatives agree on abortion, or even gay marriage for that matter, but if you were to listen to the media, or read MM or Huffpo.. you would think that conservatives are all bible thumping cavemen who would like nothing better than to oppress our fellow citizens.. nothing is further from the truth, we just want to see fiscal sanity and to be left alone by the government and don't see that as so much to ask for as it is really representative of the principles that this country was founded on... Now liberals however, and this is only my impression, have an internal struggle, where conservatives view issues in terms of individual rights and freedoms, liberals fight for societal rights and freedoms and the necessity of government to impose those on our society... ie gay marriage and amnesty for the undocumented, heck an undocumented here in this country is better protected from the courts than a regular citizen is these days in many communities. Liberals see a need for a larger role for government in our society, and how does this manifest itself? Once in office they go about finding causes to champion and ills to cure, resulting in more and more legislation, more and more resources being devoted to this cause and that cause, this project or that project, all ending in less and less personal freedoms for individuals and businesses, and more and more need for an expanded tax base and increased revenues to the government which is actually just another way of transferring a larger portion of our economy and its control over to the government... This will be the ongoing fight until the day that the progressive element of the democratic party finally prevails and is able to impose its economic and social vision on the country.... This struggle has been going on for 150 years in this country and little by little progressives make their gains that are rarely turned back... they come into and out of power so this is not a steady progression but it is not new..

I just don't buy your characterization of conservatives or of the republican party, nor do I buy your characterization of our society as a whole when you say that the majority of the country thinks as you do... it is natural for people to think that they are in the majority, especially when in today's world so much of the media and information sources are sympathetic to your point of view, but that does not mean that you are correct in that assumption, there does exist a silent majority in this country and thank goodness that they are not so consumed by politics as are you and I that they would be sharing their thoughts on political threads like this one... they still see the country much the same as they have always seen this country and they have not drawn the lines in the sand that you and I have.. They will vote with the gut feelings and I think that they still see the country as not in need of much of the change that the progressive agenda is pressing for.. but that is only my opinion... we will see not only in this up coming election, but in the years that follow, how the mood of the country ebbs back and forth and where it finally settles.
quote=RixPix quote=Blurryeyed quote=RixPix quo... (show quote)


You seem VERY "Blurryeyed", in your view of America and the ideals for which it stands.

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Aug 20, 2012 16:47:44   #
micro Loc: Texas
 
RixPix wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:


You can't push off one dumbass as the whole republican party..

Typical of libs and typical of their minions in the press... I guess all Dems like emailing tweeting dic pics out over the web ala Anthony Wiener... makes about as much sense..
quote=greymule It's quite amazing how little Repu... (show quote)


The man simply spoke his mind. It is up to his constituents to approve with his position. He is a man of great faith and strong religious beliefs how dare YOU castigate him for speaking his mind.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=greymule It's quite amazi... (show quote)


How dare he castigate women who chose abortion!
His religous fantisies, clearly do not translate into intelligence regarding biology.

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Aug 20, 2012 16:50:07   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
greymule wrote:

You seem VERY "Blurryeyed", in your view of America and the ideals for which it stands.


And you seem to be quite full of yourself...

Cheers!

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Aug 20, 2012 16:53:21   #
micro Loc: Texas
 
Blurryeyed wrote:


You can't push off one dumbass as the whole republican party..

Typical of libs and typical of their minions in the press... I guess all Dems like emailing tweeting dic pics out over the web ala Anthony Wiener... makes about as much sense..
quote=greymule It's quite amazing how little Repu... (show quote)


Blurryeyed
You're doing the same thing, using a broad brush to define all liberals. Actually I think both sides are guilty of doing so.

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Aug 20, 2012 17:06:51   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
micro wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:


You can't push off one dumbass as the whole republican party..

Typical of libs and typical of their minions in the press... I guess all Dems like emailing tweeting dic pics out over the web ala Anthony Wiener... makes about as much sense..
quote=greymule It's quite amazing how little Repu... (show quote)


Blurryeyed
You're doing the same thing, using a broad brush to define all liberals. Actually I think both sides are guilty of doing so.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=greymule It's quite amazi... (show quote)


Yup! You're right! But this idiot in MI is very disturbing, and of course it will be the top of the 24 hour news cycle and blogs. He is not representative of conservative thought but he will be painted that way... he represents a minority movement in the party just as some dems do... someone in this thread brought up Hank Johnson, the democratic congressman who thought that if we stationed more military in Guam that we would cause the island to capsize and sink into the sea... this guy falls into the same category, neither one represents the intellectual movement within their parties. Actually the Admiral does a great job of maintaining a respectful dialogue during the congressman's questioning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg

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Aug 20, 2012 17:18:56   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
RixPix wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:


You can't push off one dumbass as the whole republican party..

Typical of libs and typical of their minions in the press... I guess all Dems like emailing tweeting dic pics out over the web ala Anthony Wiener... makes about as much sense..
quote=greymule It's quite amazing how little Repu... (show quote)


The man simply spoke his mind. It is up to his constituents to approve with his position. He is a man of great faith and strong religious beliefs how dare YOU castigate him for speaking his mind.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=greymule It's quite amazi... (show quote)


LOL RixPix, The man is an idiot, his words probably belie his deeper thoughts that if abortion is ok in cases of rape that women will make false claims of rape in order to have an abortion... this may or not be what was in his mind, but the fact that he said what he said, that if it is a "legitimate rape".. what the hell is that???? Is that like a "Righteous Rape" and then goes on to say something stupid about the womans body's ability to not conceive after forcible rape... He is an idiot, and does not deserve to represent the republican party... What's more is that the party is sending him that message loud and clear as I assure you there is pressure being applied as I write this to get him to withdraw from the race...
quote=RixPix quote=Blurryeyed quote=greymule It... (show quote)


He is speaking mind...he is speaking his constituent's mindset....YOU go outside in your neighborhood and ask about abortion...I know where you live in Florida...you will find more people that agree with him than not. He speaks for a portion of the Republican party's core voters there is no denying THAT fact. The Republican party wants these types of people voting for them...they may never take the actions that fulfill their promises to these voters but they want their vote. These are undeniable facts! The Democratic party is made of "others", the Republican Party is made of believers.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=RixPix quote=Blurryeyed ... (show quote)


LOL I know where I live better than you do and you make assumptions based solely on your bias and I would have to say bigotry... I also know where you live, and many of the issues that you believe and fight for are not so accepted by your own community...
quote=RixPix quote=Blurryeyed quote=RixPix quo... (show quote)


I am not laughing. It is interesting that you are laughing as I didn't say they were your beliefs. I said they were your communities beliefs and they core values of a large percentage of the Republican "Base". There's no denying this no matter how Republican's play to the masses they do not represent the views of the majority of people in this country. These little incidents of Republican elected officials speaking their mind can very disconcerting to oligarchs such as yourself. This association with fundamentalists such as this Congressman soils everyone in the party no matter regardless of whether you agree with the position or not. That's the beauty of politics....it reminds me of that old Italian movie La Cage Aux Folles...the head of the conservative party is caught with a whore and the rest of the party feels the effects. The Republican party has a long way to go to put this behind them. I can't wait to see what happens next to either party it certainly not a boring election cycle.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=RixPix quote=Blurryeyed ... (show quote)


Conservatives are not as monolithic as you assume... they are hardly different than are democrats in that there is a broad variance on their political thought. The one thing that conservatives agree on is that the federal government has become to large, inefficient, and that it should be reigned in instead of expanding its power and foot print in the economy.. In my opinion you make the mistake of placing to much import on the religious right and the most ardent of the Tea Party folks... they themselves are not in agreement on many of the issues but they have been successful in finding a voice that as individuals 5 years ago they did not have.. Not all conservatives agree on abortion, or even gay marriage for that matter, but if you were to listen to the media, or read MM or Huffpo.. you would think that conservatives are all bible thumping cavemen who would like nothing better than to oppress our fellow citizens.. nothing is further from the truth, we just want to see fiscal sanity and to be left alone by the government and don't see that as so much to ask for as it is really representative of the principles that this country was founded on... Now liberals however, and this is only my impression, have an internal struggle, where conservatives view issues in terms of individual rights and freedoms, liberals fight for societal rights and freedoms and the necessity of government to impose those on our society... ie gay marriage and amnesty for the undocumented, heck an undocumented here in this country is better protected from the courts than a regular citizen is these days in many communities. Liberals see a need for a larger role for government in our society, and how does this manifest itself? Once in office they go about finding causes to champion and ills to cure, resulting in more and more legislation, more and more resources being devoted to this cause and that cause, this project or that project, all ending in less and less personal freedoms for individuals and businesses, and more and more need for an expanded tax base and increased revenues to the government which is actually just another way of transferring a larger portion of our economy and its control over to the government... This will be the ongoing fight until the day that the progressive element of the democratic party finally prevails and is able to impose its economic and social vision on the country.... This struggle has been going on for 150 years in this country and little by little progressives make their gains that are rarely turned back... they come into and out of power so this is not a steady progression but it is not new..

I just don't buy your characterization of conservatives or of the republican party, nor do I buy your characterization of our society as a whole when you say that the majority of the country thinks as you do... it is natural for people to think that they are in the majority, especially when in today's world so much of the media and information sources are sympathetic to your point of view, but that does not mean that you are correct in that assumption, there does exist a silent majority in this country and thank goodness that they are not so consumed by politics as are you and I that they would be sharing their thoughts on political threads like this one... they still see the country much the same as they have always seen this country and they have not drawn the lines in the sand that you and I have.. They will vote with the gut feelings and I think that they still see the country as not in need of much of the change that the progressive agenda is pressing for.. but that is only my opinion... we will see not only in this up coming election, but in the years that follow, how the mood of the country ebbs back and forth and where it finally settles.
quote=RixPix quote=Blurryeyed quote=RixPix quo... (show quote)


Why are you so defensive. You have failed to notice that I did not use the word conservative. All conservatives are not Republican and all Republicans are not conservatives...at least not yet.

I made no mention of economic policies I only referred to the Republican party's recruitment of extremists in order to fill the voting booths. You know the old saying "When you lie down with dogs...you get up with fleas?" Well, the Republican party needs a dipping after this past weekend. The problem as I see it is that there is a portion of the loyal Republican base that believes that Todd is correct in his inference that if the law allows for abortions in the case of rape women may cry rape in order to get an abortion.

Your attempt at trying to color my statements is admirable but unnecessary. I say let the Republican candidates speak for themselves...they do such a good job of it :)

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Aug 20, 2012 17:41:48   #
greymule Loc: Colorado
 
How dare he castigate women who chose abortion!
His religous fantisies, clearly do not translate into intelligence regarding biology.[/quote]

Lotta folks in that area believe that the world is 6,000 years old, and that men existed at the same time as dinosaurs. Sorta like Fred Flintstone riding dinosaurs.

Here's the flagship-

http://creationmuseum.org/about/

Home schooling is a wonderful concept. The student can never learn more than the teacher knows. I'll bet these Moms and Dads are on the cutting edge of intellectual pursuits. More and more, America is becoming a theocracy. You know, like Iran and the Ayatollahs.

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Aug 20, 2012 17:44:23   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
greymule wrote:
How dare he castigate women who chose abortion!
His religous fantisies, clearly do not translate into intelligence regarding biology.


Lotta folks in that area believe that the world is 6,000 years old, and that men existed at the same time as dinosaurs. Sorta like Fred Flintstone riding dinosaurs.

Here's the flagship-

http://creationmuseum.org/about/

Home schooling is a wonderful concept. The student can never learn more than the teacher knows. I'll bet these Moms and Dads are on the cutting edge of intellectual pursuits. More and more, America is becoming a theocracy. You know, like Iran and the Ayatollahs.[/quote]

As ye sow...so shall ye reap!

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Aug 20, 2012 18:04:33   #
greymule Loc: Colorado
 
RixPix wrote:
greymule wrote:
How dare he castigate women who chose abortion!
His religous fantisies, clearly do not translate into intelligence regarding biology.


Lotta folks in that area believe that the world is 6,000 years old, and that men existed at the same time as dinosaurs. Sorta like Fred Flintstone riding dinosaurs.

Here's the flagship-

http://creationmuseum.org/about/

Home schooling is a wonderful concept. The student can never learn more than the teacher knows. I'll bet these Moms and Dads are on the cutting edge of intellectual pursuits. More and more, America is becoming a theocracy. You know, like Iran and the Ayatollahs.
quote=greymule How dare he castigate women who ch... (show quote)


As ye sow...so shall ye reap![/quote]

As ye vote ... so shall ye reap-

Here's a couple of videos demonstrating the hypocrisy of Paul Ryan's economics-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/19/paul-ryan-bush-stimulus_n_1803761.html?ref=topbar

Be sure to check out the second one, wherein Paul Ryan is pushing for more stimulus pimping for "W".

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Aug 20, 2012 20:17:50   #
micro Loc: Texas
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
micro wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:


You can't push off one dumbass as the whole republican party..

Typical of libs and typical of their minions in the press... I guess all Dems like emailing tweeting dic pics out over the web ala Anthony Wiener... makes about as much sense..
quote=greymule It's quite amazing how little Repu... (show quote)


Blurryeyed
You're doing the same thing, using a broad brush to define all liberals. Actually I think both sides are guilty of doing so.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=greymule It's quite amazi... (show quote)


Yup! You're right! But this idiot in MI is very disturbing, and of course it will be the top of the 24 hour news cycle and blogs. He is not representative of conservative thought but he will be painted that way... he represents a minority movement in the party just as some dems do... someone in this thread brought up Hank Johnson, the democratic congressman who thought that if we stationed more military in Guam that we would cause the island to capsize and sink into the sea... this guy falls into the same category, neither one represents the intellectual movement within their parties. Actually the Admiral does a great job of maintaining a respectful dialogue during the congressman's questioning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg
quote=micro quote=Blurryeyed quote=greymule It'... (show quote)


I agree that he is a nut, but he was on track to become a U.S. Senator.
Also, this is not an isolated incedent in the current Republican party - Virginia trying to force women wanting abortions to have transvaginal sonagrams, Ryan voted to a "personhood" bill pronouncing fertilized eggs as humans (would make IUDs murder), Rick Perry trying to defund Planned Parenthood, it goes on. To this liberal, it looks like a pattern.

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Aug 20, 2012 21:15:13   #
tschmath Loc: Los Angeles
 
Blurryeyed wrote:

You can't push off one dumbass as the whole republican party


Yes you can. Claude Akin co-sponsored a bill with Paul Ryan to redefine forcible rape to make it harder to get federal funding for abortions in the case of rape or incest, even though such funding is already prohibited. As I said in another post, Akin is Ryan, Ryan is Akin. Akin is the Republican Party, the Republican party is Akin.

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Aug 21, 2012 00:12:11   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
tschmath wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:

You can't push off one dumbass as the whole republican party


Yes you can. Claude Akin co-sponsored a bill with Paul Ryan to redefine forcible rape to make it harder to get federal funding for abortions in the case of rape or incest, even though such funding is already prohibited. As I said in another post, Akin is Ryan, Ryan is Akin. Akin is the Republican Party, the Republican party is Akin.


There is no defense of these actions where oh where is Blurry to retort?

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Aug 21, 2012 00:19:32   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
gmcase wrote:
And they defend Biden. Go figure. The hypocrisy is stifling at times.


Did you notice how many people said, "there's not a racist bone in Joe Biden's body." It's amazing how many Democrats came up with the same line at the same time!! If I didn't know better I'd think it was scripted. But if it was scripted I couldn't really believe it now, could I?

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Aug 21, 2012 00:26:56   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
SteveR wrote:
gmcase wrote:
And they defend Biden. Go figure. The hypocrisy is stifling at times.


Did you notice how many people said, "there's not a racist bone in Joe Biden's body." It's amazing how many Democrats came up with the same line at the same time!! If I didn't know better I'd think it was scripted. But if it was scripted I couldn't really believe it now, could I?


WTF does this have to do with Biden? He's the Democrats problem. The Republicans' problem is that they can't keep all their clowns in the car. Sometimes they get out and then the media circus becomes a three-ring extravaganza.

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