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Apr 25, 2019 17:41:56   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Nor is there anything wrong with removing a utility pole in the middle of an otherwise beautiful landscape, or enhancing a stormy sky to look more dramatic, or removing haze and adding contrast to make an image more appealing to the eye... as long as they too are not misrepresented. When I post an image I usually indicate in general terms the post processing software I used and the type of modifications I made. I often have a good idea which images are SOOC because so many of them tend to have washed out colors, poor composition, no cropping and skewed horizons. If the goal of a pleasing picture is achieved, as long as there is no deceit, what difference does it make how it was created? Does the purchaser of a new home ask what hammering technique or nail pattern was used to build the house or is he or she more interested in the end product?
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Big difference between nail patterns used in building a house, and shifting perspective in photos, tho, Mark!

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Apr 25, 2019 18:18:14   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
gabrielcody wrote:
Something is fake only when it is misrepresented.


Now that is not entirely true, surely you don’t believe that. maybe you need to rethink what you have written.

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Apr 25, 2019 21:40:55   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Chris T wrote:
Big difference between nail patterns used in building a house, and shifting perspective in photos, tho, Mark!


Of course Chris. It obviously wasn't intended as a one to one analogy. I think the point was clear despite that, and you are just nitpicking. Or did you really not understand the point I was trying to make?

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Apr 25, 2019 22:42:49   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Of course Chris. It obviously wasn't intended as a one to one analogy. I think the point was clear despite that, and you are just nitpicking. Or did you really not understand the point I was trying to make?


Of course, Mark … was just shooting the breeze with you, my old friend …

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Apr 26, 2019 05:17:43   #
LittleBit Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
I agree wholeheartedly with you. Pictures being messed with making them look Surreal or like they've been painted instead of photographed. If you want a painting, take up painting. And I don't believe you were referring to the elimination of wires, trash, poles, etc. in a photo that interfere with nature in its God given state. But in the distortion given to a photo to make it look like a painting instead of a photograph.

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Apr 26, 2019 06:02:59   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
LITTLEBIT wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly with you. Pictures being messed with making them look Surreal or like they've been painted instead of photographed. If you want a painting, take up painting. And I don't believe you were referring to the elimination of wires, trash, poles, etc. in a photo that interfere with nature in its God given state. But in the distortion given to a photo to make it look like a painting instead of a photograph.


This type of photograph manipulation I don’t care for either, take the pic and paint it on canvas
Now for power poles and wires and such removing them can make for a better photograph.

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Apr 26, 2019 12:18:14   #
Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA
 
LITTLEBIT wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly with you. Pictures being messed with making them look Surreal or like they've been painted instead of photographed. If you want a painting, take up painting. And I don't believe you were referring to the elimination of wires, trash, poles, etc. in a photo that interfere with nature in its God given state. But in the distortion given to a photo to make it look like a painting instead of a photograph.


A great many of my images are manipulated to have the look and feeling of an oil, watercolor, or illustration. Some have been amongst my best sellers. I understand not everyone may like my images, but my question is the same as I posed a few pages back. What justification is there for telling another photographer that the shouldn’t make images of this style.

Just to be clear, I have painted. Did so all through high school, college, and a good part of my life when I was without toddlers (four year olds and tubes of paint mix way too well). Many of those skills carry over to the editing/creating work I do on my Wacom tablet.

Truth of the matter is that despite having experience painting, I could not paint with the detail, textures, etc. that I am able to produce through processing and manipulation of a camera image. What is the justification for saying I should go do something else (paint) instead? I understand that different people have differing preferences for what images they enjoy looking at the most. However, for as long as I have been doing this, I have yet to have anyone provide a single VALID REASON for why I should limit my creative approach.

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Apr 26, 2019 13:25:39   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
Photographer Jim wrote:
A great many of my images are manipulated to have the look and feeling of an oil, watercolor, or illustration. Some have been amongst my best sellers. I understand not everyone may like my images, but my question is the same as I posed a few pages back. What justification is there for telling another photographer that the shouldn’t make images of this style.

Just to be clear, I have painted. Did so all through high school, college, and a good part of my life when I was without toddlers (four year olds and tubes of paint mix way too well). Many of those skills carry over to the editing/creating work I do on my Wacom tablet.

Truth of the matter is that despite having experience painting, I could not paint with the detail, textures, etc. that I am able to produce through processing and manipulation of a camera image. What is the justification for saying I should go do something else (paint) instead? I understand that different people have differing preferences for what images they enjoy looking at the most. However, for as long as I have been doing this, I have yet to have anyone provide a single VALID REASON for why I should limit my creative approach.
A great many of my images are manipulated to have ... (show quote)

Beautiful!

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Apr 26, 2019 13:41:21   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Photographer Jim wrote:
A great many of my images are manipulated to have the look and feeling of an oil, watercolor, or illustration. Some have been amongst my best sellers. I understand not everyone may like my images, but my question is the same as I posed a few pages back. What justification is there for telling another photographer that the shouldn’t make images of this style.

Just to be clear, I have painted. Did so all through high school, college, and a good part of my life when I was without toddlers (four year olds and tubes of paint mix way too well). Many of those skills carry over to the editing/creating work I do on my Wacom tablet.

Truth of the matter is that despite having experience painting, I could not paint with the detail, textures, etc. that I am able to produce through processing and manipulation of a camera image. What is the justification for saying I should go do something else (paint) instead? I understand that different people have differing preferences for what images they enjoy looking at the most. However, for as long as I have been doing this, I have yet to have anyone provide a single VALID REASON for why I should limit my creative approach.
A great many of my images are manipulated to have ... (show quote)

First I want to say that your work is really terrific. As for the critical opinions of others, I'm guessing that for the most part those who criticize the creative and artistic aspects of photography do so because they lack the ability to see beyond the obvious right in front of them and have a very limited understanding or appreciation of art. This is obvious from the many comments I read here when the subject of art is brought up.

Some here seem to think that any diversion from what their camera records is somehow heresy and some don't believe that photography, itself, is an art. Interestingly, I find that most of those that espouse that are not very good photographers, satisfying themselves with one derivative and mediocre image after another.

These "purists" seem lack any understanding that all their cameras create jpegs from raw data internally using the very limited internal post processing software already built in. If they were really purists they would shoot in raw and just convert their unedited raw files to jpeg with no in-camera sharpening, contrast, picture style or color tone settings added.

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Apr 27, 2019 16:41:09   #
LittleBit Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
You're absolutely correct! Please accept my apology for having made the comments I made.

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