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Apr 16, 2019 18:05:31   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
Bazbo wrote:
And what reckless speculation would that be? Everything I post about Trump has some evidentiary basis--unlike the OP of this topic.

You have made an accusation--now back it up.


" Everything I post about Trump has some evidentiary basis" You mean evidence like the Mueller Report?
Good luck with that.

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Apr 16, 2019 18:16:58   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
Bazbo wrote:
And what reckless speculation would that be? Everything I post about Trump has some evidentiary basis--unlike the OP of this topic.

You have made an accusation--now back it up.


The 'your' was used as a collective. One only has to take a random sampling of 'news' stories from any source to 'back up' my accusation. For TWO years we've been subjected to a complete side show.
"Mueller, Mueller he's our man!" Well, HE couldn't so it so nobody can...
How many "breaking bombshells" regarding the fabricated 'collusion delusion' have there been? Where's the video of hookers peeing on Trump in Moscow? Where's Schiff's "evidence"? He's still singing that song at the top of his voice. What has he got? NOTHING. Nothing. nothing. nothing

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Apr 16, 2019 18:22:00   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
phcaan wrote:
" Everything I post about Trump has some evidentiary basis" You mean evidence like the Mueller Report?
Good luck with that.


I always said that I would accept the Mueller report, as long as it was allowed to continue unimpeded. I never speculated about the Mueller report.

Try again. This time come with an actual quote of something I actually sqid, not something you wish I had said.

Good luck with that.

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Apr 16, 2019 18:28:16   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
skylane5sp wrote:
The 'your' was used as a collective. One only has to take a random sampling of 'news' stories from any source to 'back up' my accusation. For TWO years we've been subjected to a complete side show.
"Mueller, Mueller he's our man!" Well, HE couldn't so it so nobody can...
How many "breaking bombshells" regarding the fabricated 'collusion delusion' have there been? Where's the video of hookers peeing on Trump in Moscow? Where's Schiff's "evidence"? He's still singing that song at the top of his voice. What has he got? NOTHING. Nothing. nothing. nothing
The 'your' was used as a collective. One only has ... (show quote)


First of all, the topic here is the fire in Paris. YOU made it personal by making an accusation about me personally when you referenced "my" reckless speculation. If you did not intend me personally, then you should be more temperate with your language.

A fair reading of your accusation would make me the target of YOUR reckless speculation about what I have ever posted here. Next time come with an actual quote of mine that would be evidence of "my" reckless speculation.

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Apr 16, 2019 19:04:44   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
Bazbo wrote:
I always said that I would accept the Mueller report, as long as it was allowed to continue unimpeded. I never speculated about the Mueller report.

Try again. This time come with an actual quote of something I actually sqid, not something you wish I had said.

Good luck with that.


I quoted your previous post

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Apr 16, 2019 19:16:31   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
Bob Smith wrote:
I'm so lucky just to think only yesterday I was welding there.




You should have pieced back your brain.

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Apr 16, 2019 19:19:20   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
thom w wrote:
The Catholic church seems to have more to worry about from Steve Bannon than Muslims.




We didn't see Bannon torching churches, didn't we?

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Apr 16, 2019 19:27:32   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
Countless churches throughout Western Europe are being vandalized, defecated on, and torched.

In France, two churches are desecrated every day on average. According to PI-News, a German news site, 1,063 attacks on Christian churches or symbols (crucifixes, icons, statues) were registered in France in 2018. This represents a 17% increase compared to the previous year (2017), when 878 attacks were registered— meaning that such attacks are only going from bad to worse.

Among some of the recent desecrations in France, the following took place in just February and March:

Vandals plundered Notre-Dame des Enfants Church in Nîmes and used human excrement to draw a cross there; consecrated bread was found thrown outside among garbage.

The Saint-Nicolas Church in Houilles was vandalized on three separate occasions in February; a 19th century statue of the Virgin Mary, regarded as "irreparable," was "completely pulverized," said a clergyman; and a h*****g cross was thrown to the floor.

Vandals desecrated and smashed crosses and statues at Saint-Alain Cathedral in Lavaur, and mangled the arms of a statue of a crucified Christ in a mocking manner. In addition, an altar cloth was burned.
Arsonists torched the Church of St. Sulpice in Paris soon after midday mass on Sunday, March 17.

Similar reports are coming out of Germany. Four separate churches were vandalized and/or torched in March alone. "In this country," PI-News explained, "there is a creeping war against everything that symbolizes Christianity: attacks on mountain-summit crosses, on sacred statues by the wayside, on churches... and recently also on cemeteries."

Who is primarily behind these ongoing and increasing attacks on churches in Europe? The same German report offers a hint: "Crosses are broken, altars smashed, Bibles set on fire, baptismal fonts overturned, and the church doors smeared with Islamic expressions like 'Allahu Akbar.'" ("Allah is the greatest of all gods.")

Another German report from November 11, 2017 noted that in the Alps and Bavaria alone, around 200 churches were attacked and many crosses broken: "Police are currently dealing with church desecrations again and again. The perpetrators are often youthful r****rs with a migration background." Elsewhere they are described as "young Islamists."

Sometimes, sadly, in European regions with large Muslim populations, there seems to be a concomitant rise in attacks on churches and Christian symbols. Before Christmas 2016, in the North Rhine-Westphalia region of Germany, where more than a million Muslims reside, some 50 public Christian statues (including those of Jesus) were beheaded and crucifixes broken.

In 2016, following the arrival in Germany of another million mostly Muslim migrants, a local newspaper reported that in the town of Dülmen, "'not a day goes by' without attacks on religious statues in the town of less than 50,000 people, and the immediate surrounding area."

In France it also seems that where the number of Muslim migrants increases, so do attacks on churches. A January 2017 study revealed that, "Islamist extremist attacks on Christians" in France rose by 38 percent, going from 273 attacks in 2015 to 376 in 2016; the majority occurred during Christmas season and "many of the attacks took place in churches and other places of worship."

As a typical example, in 2014, a Muslim man committed "major acts of vandalism" inside a historic Catholic church in Thonon-les-Bains. According to a report (with pictures) he "overturned and broke two altars, the candelabras and lecterns, destroyed statues, tore down a tabernacle, twisted a massive bronze cross, smashed in a sacristy door and even broke some stained-glass windows." He also "trampled on" the Eucharist.

For similar examples in other European countries, please see here, here, here, here, and here.

In virtually every instance of church attacks, authorities and media obfuscate the identity of the vandals. In those rare instances when the Muslim (or "migrant") identity of the destroyers is leaked, the perpetrators are then falsely presented as suffering from mental health issues. As the recent PI-News report says:

"Hardly anyone writes and speaks about the increasing attacks on Christian symbols. There is an eloquent silence in both France and Germany about the scandal of the desecrations and the origin of the perpetrators.... Not a word, not even the slightest hint that could in anyway lead to the suspicion of migrants or their Muslim beliefs... It is not the perpetrators who are in danger of being ostracized, but those who dare to associate the desecration of Christian symbols with immigrant imports. They are accused of hatred, h**e speech and r****m."

Raymond Ibrahim, author of the new book, Sword and Scimitar, Fourteen Centuries of War between Islam and the West, is a Distinguished Senior Fellow at the Gatestone Institute and a Judith Rosen Friedman Fellow at the Middle East Forum.
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Too long and tiring for some of the clowns here to read and even understanding what they are facing in the near future. If only they have the cajones to go to Baltimore and try to walk in Hamtramck. One of the places where integration is made for...Muslims by Muslims and nothing else.

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Apr 16, 2019 20:24:08   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
Countless churches throughout Western Europe are being vandalized, defecated on, and torched.

In France, two churches are desecrated every day on average. According to PI-News, a German news site, 1,063 attacks on Christian churches or symbols (crucifixes, icons, statues) were registered in France in 2018. This represents a 17% increase compared to the previous year (2017), when 878 attacks were registered— meaning that such attacks are only going from bad to worse.

Among some of the recent desecrations in France, the following took place in just February and March:

Vandals plundered Notre-Dame des Enfants Church in Nîmes and used human excrement to draw a cross there; consecrated bread was found thrown outside among garbage.

The Saint-Nicolas Church in Houilles was vandalized on three separate occasions in February; a 19th century statue of the Virgin Mary, regarded as "irreparable," was "completely pulverized," said a clergyman; and a h*****g cross was thrown to the floor.

Vandals desecrated and smashed crosses and statues at Saint-Alain Cathedral in Lavaur, and mangled the arms of a statue of a crucified Christ in a mocking manner. In addition, an altar cloth was burned.
Arsonists torched the Church of St. Sulpice in Paris soon after midday mass on Sunday, March 17.

Similar reports are coming out of Germany. Four separate churches were vandalized and/or torched in March alone. "In this country," PI-News explained, "there is a creeping war against everything that symbolizes Christianity: attacks on mountain-summit crosses, on sacred statues by the wayside, on churches... and recently also on cemeteries."

Who is primarily behind these ongoing and increasing attacks on churches in Europe? The same German report offers a hint: "Crosses are broken, altars smashed, Bibles set on fire, baptismal fonts overturned, and the church doors smeared with Islamic expressions like 'Allahu Akbar.'" ("Allah is the greatest of all gods.")

Another German report from November 11, 2017 noted that in the Alps and Bavaria alone, around 200 churches were attacked and many crosses broken: "Police are currently dealing with church desecrations again and again. The perpetrators are often youthful r****rs with a migration background." Elsewhere they are described as "young Islamists."

Sometimes, sadly, in European regions with large Muslim populations, there seems to be a concomitant rise in attacks on churches and Christian symbols. Before Christmas 2016, in the North Rhine-Westphalia region of Germany, where more than a million Muslims reside, some 50 public Christian statues (including those of Jesus) were beheaded and crucifixes broken.

In 2016, following the arrival in Germany of another million mostly Muslim migrants, a local newspaper reported that in the town of Dülmen, "'not a day goes by' without attacks on religious statues in the town of less than 50,000 people, and the immediate surrounding area."

In France it also seems that where the number of Muslim migrants increases, so do attacks on churches. A January 2017 study revealed that, "Islamist extremist attacks on Christians" in France rose by 38 percent, going from 273 attacks in 2015 to 376 in 2016; the majority occurred during Christmas season and "many of the attacks took place in churches and other places of worship."

As a typical example, in 2014, a Muslim man committed "major acts of vandalism" inside a historic Catholic church in Thonon-les-Bains. According to a report (with pictures) he "overturned and broke two altars, the candelabras and lecterns, destroyed statues, tore down a tabernacle, twisted a massive bronze cross, smashed in a sacristy door and even broke some stained-glass windows." He also "trampled on" the Eucharist.

For similar examples in other European countries, please see here, here, here, here, and here.

In virtually every instance of church attacks, authorities and media obfuscate the identity of the vandals. In those rare instances when the Muslim (or "migrant") identity of the destroyers is leaked, the perpetrators are then falsely presented as suffering from mental health issues. As the recent PI-News report says:

"Hardly anyone writes and speaks about the increasing attacks on Christian symbols. There is an eloquent silence in both France and Germany about the scandal of the desecrations and the origin of the perpetrators.... Not a word, not even the slightest hint that could in anyway lead to the suspicion of migrants or their Muslim beliefs... It is not the perpetrators who are in danger of being ostracized, but those who dare to associate the desecration of Christian symbols with immigrant imports. They are accused of hatred, h**e speech and r****m."

Raymond Ibrahim, author of the new book, Sword and Scimitar, Fourteen Centuries of War between Islam and the West, is a Distinguished Senior Fellow at the Gatestone Institute and a Judith Rosen Friedman Fellow at the Middle East Forum.
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Notre Dame was almost successfully car bombed last week.
Like the twin towers were bombed first then brought down on the next attempt.
With all the attacks across Europe against Christian and Jewish houses of worship only (No muslim crap) it is very plausible and probable. We will never know because of PC and that it might hurt some muslim slime that the t***h comes out about the horrible cult they are and the death and destruction they are daily wreaking across the globe.
Yes the muslims burned it like all the dozens of other churches lately that have been vandalized and destroyed yet ignored by the f**e news.

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Apr 16, 2019 20:31:16   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
idaholover wrote:
Catholicism does not discourage self reflection. Islam does and is intolerant to the n'th degree but then you wouldn't know the difference now would you?


I'm not religious, and I really don't believe you are either. I'm not looking for a fight, but if you are, we should be able to find something more fitting to fight over. Every religion that I know anything about (not that many) is pretty intolerant. If I'm mistaken, and you really do worship a god, I'm good with it, and I hope you benefit from it.

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Apr 16, 2019 20:32:04   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
Little Tommie, only a lib f*****t socialist dem could discount the muslim take over so easily.


I'm open minded. Where is your evidence?

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Apr 16, 2019 20:33:45   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
pendennis wrote:
France leads Europe in moving to a sectarian society. Christian religions of all denominations are stagnant, to declining in many countries.

Secularists show little, if any respect for those symbols of Christianity. It wouldn't be a stretch to imagine a conf**gration started by them.

However, the latest reports are stating the origins are accidental.


One needn't be religious to have respect for art and history.

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Apr 16, 2019 20:35:39   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
steve03 wrote:
Trump has told over 900 lies since becoming President,Why would I ask him anything? I see the right wing
wing nuts sitting in their easy chairs wearing the aluminum foil covered MAGA hats with a remote in one hand and Burbon in the other watching conspiracy theory commentators and believing wh**ever BS they sprout out. Go back to your hole of h**e.


"Aluminum covered", that's what I've been doing wrong. I thought you were supposed to line the damned thing.

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Apr 16, 2019 20:38:07   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Bazbo wrote:
A rational person would wait for evidence before engaging in this reckless speculation. I remember that immediately after the Las Vegas mass shooting several of you right wingers announced it was Islamic terrorists. Turned out...not so much.

I don't see you posting anything about the Louisiana churches being burned to the ground recently. Or the Pittsburg synagogue massacre. Or the murder of the worshipers at Mother Emmanuel Church in Charleston. Apparently white supremisist or neo-N**i violence is not animating enough for you.

But let anything bad happen anywhere in the world and it's the fault of Muslims. Of course.
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Why would you try to bring "rational" into a post directed at LA Shooter? I don't believe he does "rational".

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Apr 16, 2019 20:39:52   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
John_F wrote:
The basic thought in this OP has crossed my mind, but I think it is too early to speculatr. As the fire started at the top how could the ‘starter’ get up there un-noticed.


I hadn't heard it started at the top. Doesn't fire always burn up? Real question.

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