MauiMoto Loc: Hawaii

It is a fact, with plenty of evidence everywhere on earth to support it, just because you are willingly ignorant don't try to decieve others who are not.

MauiMoto Loc: Hawaii

They did, it's in turkey, they're is a mountain side covered with grapes that Noah planted 4k years ago, the anchor stones and the matriarch's grave.

Wander1963

That is exactly how evolution works, how species diverge. Two groups from a similar origin focus on different foods, or different homes, and before you know it you have coyotes separating from wolves, otters from weasels, cattle from bison, and so on. One group moves, gets some physical distance, and the gene pools are separated and consolidated. That's the evolutionary process. The article I cited was a closeup on the process of speciation in action.

Humans have often had a hand in this, with domestication and selective breeding. Wild turkeys are quite different from farm turkeys. We have shaped cattle and chickens into dramatically different forms. Perhaps the most dramatic example is dogs - everything from chihuahuas to great danes, Rottweilers to dachshunds. A paleontologist ten thousand years from now would never guess the skeletons came from the same stock - and realistically, a great dane can't breed with a chihuahua. Are they still one species (canis familiaris)?

Evolution is real, and still happening.

Oklahoma 46

I assume you believe in evolution. Well if evolution is your thing then show us the fossil. The fact is you can’t show us ‘the’ fossil because the missing link is still missing. Charles Darwin lamented the fact that the fossil record did not support his theory but claimed to believe that as the fossil record expanded it would all line up. Well the record has grown exponentially and not one single fossil demonstrates evolution. Every fossil is of a complex, fully functioning critter.

Wander1963

You mean this "ark"?
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100428-noahs-ark-found-in-turkey-science-religion-culture/

This claim doesn't seem to be accepted very widely. Though I have to say I'm amused by Tood Wood, the Creationist "scientist" who says radiocarbon dating needs to be "recalibrated," because it keeps coming up with dates older than the 6000 years he believes is the age of the Earth. A lovely example of, "If the facts don't conform to the theory, they must be disposed of!"

MauiMoto Loc: Hawaii

Everything you said is so wrong I don't know where to begin, but you asked, so here is a little correct information. Noah had many children, same as Adam, probably in the hundreds. They were bigger, stronger, smarter and didn't get tired because there was more oxygen and air pressure like living in a hyperbaric chamber. Evidence for this is large insect fossils which are impossible in the atmospheric conditions today. They also find brass, and iron tools buried with fossils that we cannot duplicate today. Many things, like the pyramids, cannot be explained because you believe we came from rocks and are slowly evolving into something better, from worshiping the creator to worshiping ourselves. The truth is that we were stronger and smarter then and easily built things impossible today, we are now just copies of thousands of copies and getting dumber and weaker. We are building a mechanized god, the beast, which will rule over us. Brilliant! We are incurably inclined to worship, and we imitate what we worship. What happens when we worship power?
There was not 6 continents, only one land, all the water in the oceans today was under it, evidence for this is the large splits in the earth like the Marianas Trench and all the hot water still gushing out from under the deepest parts of the ocean floor. What do you think that brackish water still coming out from under the ocean floor means?
The fact that there are fossils prove there was a flood, fossils are in sedimentary rock, key word, sediment. Fossils only form when buried rapidly in sediment. Mount Saint Helens is evidence that fossils and canyons like the grand canyon form rapidly.
It's not your fault, we were all taught the same lies.
It's all about control, you cannot control people whose rights and morals come from God, they must first remove God so our rights and morals are determined by government. Hitler believed in evolution, the only solution to evolution is to isolate the less evolved and exterminate them to cleanse the gene pool, confiscate their wealth so the state can determine who to prosper and who needs just enough to serve the state. Where do you think this belief is headed now, green new deal? Who deserves a carbon footprint? Who deserves to breathe? Certainly no one who believes in a power higher than the state. There is tons of evidence still hidden by Muslim countries, state sponsored museums and the Vatican.

Wander1963

Wow, your final sentence demonstrates a vast misunderstanding of how evolution and biology work. Every fossil is of a complex, fully functioning critter? (Actually, many fossils are of scattered bones, or even just teeth - because enamel is harder than bone, and many critters shed or lose teeth.)

Did you expect fossils of nonfunctional critters? Evolution traces the progression from species A to its successor species B, and we have many examples of it. Look up the progression of human evolution - from Australopithecus afarensis to Homo sapiens. There may be some links missing, but there are a lot of links present - the existence of which you can't account for WITHOUT evolution.

The fossil record is growing all the time, and it absolutely does support evolution.

Oklahoma 46

Perhaps Tod Wood says radiocarbon dating needs to be recalibrated because it is not dependable. Rocks of known origin and age have tested as ancient rocks. If currently accepted dating methods can’t get it right on a 30 year old rock from a relatively recent volcano why would you trust it with a rock of unknown age?

MauiMoto Loc: Hawaii

Here, just read this. Most of us have already had thousands of hours of state sponsored brainwashing but this may still help some of you.

MauiMoto Loc: Hawaii

Original Chinese characters suggest they knew their creator.

MauiMoto Loc: Hawaii

Meanwhile in early China, around the time of Babylon I'm guessing, you know, the king who could catch a lion with his bare hands. Around 3800 years before Christ.

Wander1963

Well, excuse me. I was just using what I found in the Bible. There are no other children of Noah mentioned, and I've known fundamentalists to say that if it wasn't in the Bible, it didn't exist.



Those large insect fossils you speak of, like the dragonfly Meganeura and the centipede Arthropleura, come from the Carboniferous Era, before the first dinosaurs, about 300 million years ago. Are saying this was after the biblical flood?



Can you find me citations of these "brass and iron tools buried with fossils that we cannot duplicate today" in a source that is NOT a creationist publication? There is no mystery about the pyramids, and no, I don't believe we came from rocks. Please don't project your wacky ideas of what I believe on me.



You're saying that all the water of the modern oceans was UNDERGROUND? Wow, you must embarrass even other creationists with that idea! Can you imagine what the climate would be without oceans to provide humidity and stabilize temperatures? The reason the oceans are on top of 70% of the Earth's surface is because rock is heavier than water, not the other way around.
Yes, at one time there was one continent; we call it Pangaea. But that was because of continental drift, and you can fit the continents together like a puzzle into their former places. The rest of the surface was a huge ocean.



Actually, the fossilization processes (and there are more than one) are well understood. Usually it involves mud washing over the carcass and eventually turning to stone. Sometimes it involves a carcass falling in an anaerobic body of water, protected from bacterial decomposition, which produces spectacular fossils like the Archaeopteryx of the Solnhofen lagoon. Doesn't require any biblical flood, much less a volcano.



And Torquemada believed in the Church and the Inquisition. Citing evil people as character witnesses has nothing to do with science, nor do the other ideas you promote.



Yeah, I kinda saw this coming, with the ragtag assortment of ideas you've tossed into the pot. The Green New Deal is intended to save the Earth from the climate change that you no doubt deny, and the longer ignorant people delay any action, the worse our childrens' world will be. The ideas you throw in are fearmongering designed by science deniers to try to demonize anyone who disagrees. I'm sorry you fall for that ridiculous crap.

Oklahoma 46

Okay I stand corrected; many fossils are just a bone or tooth. The fossils referred to are those showing more complete ‘critters’ and there are none that demonstrate evolution. With millions of critters alive on earth today there should be ancestors by the millions that are less complex and there should be some fossils of those critters. There are none.

As for the Australopithecus - he/she is just following behind the Piltdown Man, Peking Man, Nebraska Man - a lineup of former missing links. The difference being that the old timers had the decency to tag their critters with names that are easier to spell. Someday this youngster will fall off the world stage like all the rest.

Here’s a question for you. Do you believe in the Second Law of Thermodynamics? Do the tires on your car regenerate or do they wear out and you have to replace them? By the way, I know the answer. Why is all of creation in the grip of that Second Law except for evolution?

The Grand Canyon is made of multiple layers of sediment. Evolution says those layers took millions of years per each to form. How did those layers not erode during those millions of years? The top of the canyon has erosion showing where rain water and snowmelt have carried material over the side into the river below. There is no erosion between those layers. How did that happen?

Wander1963

Probably because you can't radiocarbon date rocks; they're mostly silicon. Radiocarbon dating works on organic materials, things that were once alive, like bones and wood. Living processes take in carbon-14 from the environment, which decays at a known rate. That is then compared to the amount of carbon-12; the ratio indicates the degree of decay, which translates into the object's age.

Last time I checked, rocks had no metabolic processes to intake carbon.

Radiocarbon dating is one of the most accurate tests we have within its range - under about 20,000 years. After that the carbon-14 has decayed to the point that measurements aren't reliable.

MauiMoto Loc: Hawaii

Also the river would have to flow up hill. The grand canyon, all the sedimentary rock that form continents, marine fossils on mountain tops, and tons more evidence that can only be explained by a recent, as in not millions of years, global flood.
The fact is that everything we observe today can be explained in Genesis without contradicting scientific laws and observation. The opposite is true for the theory of evolution, just like you said about the law of entropy.