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Floyd Loc: Misplaced Texan in Florence, Alabama

Unfortunately what you say is, all too often, correct; however, Franklin Graham's organization does the same thing his father did. Very early in Billy Graham's ministry, people began to claim he was in it only for the money. He then and Franklin now, set up a corporation with a board of unpaid directors and the corporation paid Billy and now Franklin a salary. All other funds go into supporting their ministry. Franklin makes several flights (using several planes) a year to poor countries the planes loaded with food, clothing, Bibles, kids toys, personal toiletries, etc.

Floyd Loc: Misplaced Texan in Florence, Alabama

The Ark is located a short drive North of Florence, Kentucky.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

Threaten?

Wow...I didn't know I had such power.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

Basic Philosophy. Any first year philosophy student would recognize the arguments. Gobbildygook to those who haven't thought things through I guess.



Lol...circular?

Sorry. If you think I made a reasoning fallacy, I'd love for you to point it out, I haven't.



Same goes for everyone including you...everyone is wedded to their presuppositions. God must change a heart before he/she see the truth. I'm just a messenger. It's not my job to convince anyone.

But again...if many Christians spent as much time talking about God as the atheists on this site we'd have ourselves a revival! :)

I'm guessing you guys don't spend any time refuting the easter bunny or santa...because you know that they are a fairy tale...not something you can admit about God...you know (as all humans do) that He exists.

I know...I was unsaved for much of my life, I was just like you and the others...mocking, arguing about something I said didn't exist, etc. I did it all. (and much better than you do, more vicious too.)

And all the time I was doing it, I knew...waaaaayyyyy deeeep down...where I would never admit to anyone, that God existed and that I was in trouble if I died. I wasn't arguing because I had thought the issues through more throughly, nope...I did it because I was compelled by my rebellion. Just like you. Just like all unsaved humans.

Thankfully God was merciful to me and I pray that you repent and believe before it's too late. God is a merciful, loving, mighty savior...repent and believe before it's too late.

And thanks for responding so I could talk about God yet one more time.

I'm done.

Stan[/quote]

rcorne001 Loc: Cary, NC

I went there shortly after it opened. I had a Pentax K3 with a Tamron 18-250 f3.5 - 6.3 "walk about" lens. it didn't do low light very well but I did get some usable snap shots. If doing it again I would take a faster lens and probably like the f2.8 24-70 on a full frame body. Instead I went about 1/100 ISO of 5000 and as wide open as the lens would allow.

It is an interesting exhibit and does a pretty good job of showing how the ark MAY have worked for taking care of the animals (feeding, cleaning, etc) and people. The exhibit does explicitly state there were artistic liberties taken.

Take a look at a half dozen of images from my visit a few years ago. The scale is remarkable! Even came with air conditioning, snacks and rest rooms! LOL. These are vacation shots and not a serious effort but you can get an idea of what lies ahead. Enjoy your trip.

https://rickcornell.zenfolio.com/p402265562

Nikoneer

They finally found it?

Nikoneer

Jimmy T Loc: Virginia

I could not have said it better!

Wander1963

I'm really curious; maybe the true believers can help me out here: The ark in Kentucky took over 1000 craftsmen about two years to build, which makes 2000 man-years of labor - most likely at least with modern steel saws and drills, if not power tools. It includes 3,300,000 board feet of lumber. If the biblical ark was actually built by one old man and his three grown sons, how long would it take?

According to Genesis, Noah was 500 years old when he had three sons - I guess they didn't want to rush into parenting, but then they got triplets! And he was 600 years old when the flood came - he liked to do things in nice round centuries. So the four men had 100 years - makes 400 man-years, most likely with tools of bronze at best. That means they must have worked five times as fast as the Kentucky crew - and that's not even accounting for the time to gather all the animals from six continents.

Toss in the dinosaurs, the fossil record going back half a billion years, and it sure takes a leap of faith to swallow it all...

My mother has faith. Faith seems to be the ability to believe something in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.

Bill 45

Why would someone want to wasted time, money, film to go to see something like that? Go to Disney World.

Joexx

Faith is fine. But, it makes me mad to see many good people, who's faith is being manipulated. This is just another way to use faith to scam good people and get their money. I doubt it will change anyone's mind, but here is a very detailed analysis of all of the issues with the Noah's Arch story. I challenge any "true believer" to read it. https://ncse.com/cej/4/1/impossible-voyage-noahs-ark

Floyd Loc: Misplaced Texan in Florence, Alabama

Just finished reading the entire script. As many others, throughout history, you and the writers of the article try to make everything fit man's thought process and physical limits. God, through seveal prophets, has said man cannot comprehend His mind or actions; yet, man continually tries to to make Him fit into our limited perception. Every problem suggested in the article strongly implies that God must fit man's thoughts and capabilities or things could not have happened. The minute one agrees that God can and has done many things beyond man's comprehension, it is then highly probable that God took care of all those supposed problems. Put man at the helm and nothing works.

Joexx

For those so inclined, some more interesting reading. Everyone does this, some people more that others....

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/cognitive-dissonance
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/science-choice/201504/what-is-confirmation-bias

Wander1963

Except that, according to the Bible, God DID put a man - Noah - quite literally at the helm! God had Noah build the ark; he didn't build it for Noah. He had Noah gather the animals - including anacondas and tapirs from South America, pronghorns and rattlesnakes from North America, kangaroos and koalas and platypuses from Australia - quite a feat, especially before the ark sailed! It doesn't say God did those things - it says he told Noah to do them. And then, somehow, they were all redistributed afterward.

If you insist on resorting to miracles, why not just simplify everything and say God kept Noah and his family and the desired animals miraculously alive? The Hebrews who wrote and believed the story had no idea that the Earth was as big as it is, nor how many kinds of animals Noah would need to deal with. With their limited knowledge, the story was plausible.

We know better. Without convolutions of logic far beyond the breaking point, it simply can't work. The only reason for insisting on literal belief in this ancient myth is because fundamentalism insists on it. If that's your thing, enjoy it, but at least have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge it.