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Apr 4, 2019 03:40:55   #
Carusoswi
 
billbarcus wrote:
Paul, that's what they make camera straps for! I never attach or detach any camera without the camera strap around my neck. Camera straps have saved me some repair bucks and a few damaged cameras.

Every time I see a photographer using a camera absent a camera strap, or not around their necks, I just want to smack them up the side of the head.


Straps bother me when I am taking photos. If I am hiking, I use a strap, but, otherwise, I don't like them. So far, I have not dropped a camera since i was 9 years old (68 now).

Different strokes for different folks.

Caruso

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Apr 4, 2019 04:11:30   #
Paul60 Loc: Lowestoft, UK
 
Carusoswi wrote:
Straps bother me when I am taking photos. If I am hiking, I use a strap, but, otherwise, I don't like them. So far, I have not dropped a camera since i was 9 years old (68 now).

Different strokes for different folks.

Caruso


I'm the same. I will now use a strap with my new camera, but I always find lanyards, straps, cables etc untidy & irritating.

A necessary evil it seems.

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Apr 4, 2019 04:20:50   #
Paul60 Loc: Lowestoft, UK
 
I will say this;

For the weight of this camera & the 3ft it fell, I felt & heard the sickening crunch as it hit the deck.

Even though it was on carpet thank the lord.

Must be one tough camera. I don't want to put it to the test again anytime soon.

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Apr 4, 2019 06:06:10   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
Paul60 wrote:

The tripod is a Manfrotto Befree with the basic ball head. The tripod itself seems to hold the weight of the P1000 ok.


I have just had a look at a picture of the Befree. If it was mine I would have a look at either of two things.

1. Remove the plate and see how the top of the ball head is attached to the socket. I would hope that it might be Manfottos usual with a hex screw down through the clamp into the top shaft of the ball head. If so then unscrew it (and knowing Manfrotto it will be tight). In its place screw a Swiss Arca clamp with matching SA plate on the camera and problem solved.
2. Check how the ball head is attached to the top of the tripod shaft. I cannot help you here since I don't have one in front of me but it will almost certainly be removable somehow. Replace it with a decent ballhead/Swiss Arca fitting.

I have had a few challenges with Manfrotto heads but have managed to sort them all even though some required a little engineering.

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Apr 4, 2019 06:28:40   #
Paul60 Loc: Lowestoft, UK
 
chrissybabe wrote:
I have just had a look at a picture of the Befree. If it was mine I would have a look at either of two things.

1. Remove the plate and see how the top of the ball head is attached to the socket. I would hope that it might be Manfottos usual with a hex screw down through the clamp into the top shaft of the ball head. If so then unscrew it (and knowing Manfrotto it will be tight). In its place screw a Swiss Arca clamp with matching SA plate on the camera and problem solved.
2. Check how the ball head is attached to the top of the tripod shaft. I cannot help you here since I don't have one in front of me but it will almost certainly be removable somehow. Replace it with a decent ballhead/Swiss Arca fitting.

I have had a few challenges with Manfrotto heads but have managed to sort them all even though some required a little engineering.
I have just had a look at a picture of the Befree.... (show quote)


Thanks chrissybabe,

I'll check that out.

Cheers

Paul :)

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Apr 4, 2019 07:15:29   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
Paul60 wrote:
Hi all,

I'd like your thoughts on this please.

I've been struggling to attach my P1000 to my tripod.

I have the small plate from the tripods head, fitted to the bottom of the camera.

As this camera is so large & heavy, I'm finding it hard (and very fiddley) to attach the camera.

Last night, I was packing up and picked up the tripod with camera still attached to remove it, when the camera fell to the floor from about 3ft onto carpet.

It seems like 90% of the time, the mount is not seated properly on the head, even though it looks like it is.

It felt secure enough as I used it, till I picked it up to pack things away.

The camera seems fine, but somehow the memory card popped out (with the door still closed). I opened the door and pushed the memory card home.

I can't see any visible damage to camera body, functionality or to the lens.

Do you chaps think it will be ok ?

I'm paranoid about it. I think I'll look for a better tripod head that's easier to use too.

Cheers

Paul. :)
Hi all, br br I'd like your thoughts on this plea... (show quote)

To put it plainly: NO quick release system is completely fool proof!!!! some are better than others but not very much.
After I mount my camera and lens to the tripod I constantly check to make sure it has not worked loose.
As to having a strap attached while on the tripod: I tried this meany yrs ago and found that there was more danger of the strap catching on something while walking or someone hooking it while walking by and jerking it out of my grip. So far I have dropped only one camera, and it was on a strap around my neck, I had two cameras on straps, I was taking one off my neck to hand to a friend and when I let go I had the wrong camera strap and the other hit the asphalt cracking the housing, the lens survived with no injuries. The camera was not worth the repair cost, it did make a nice paper weight!!! I still use straps but never on a tripod and I only carry one camera these days.

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Apr 4, 2019 07:17:59   #
Don, the 2nd son Loc: Crowded Florida
 
billbarcus wrote:
Paul, that's what they make camera straps for! I never attach or detach any camera without the camera strap around my neck. Camera straps have saved me some repair bucks and a few damaged cameras.

Every time I see a photographer using a camera absent a camera strap, or not around their necks, I just want to smack them up the side of the head.


When I prompted a friend with a large zoom combo and strap hanging I was told "I don't want to carry it around my neck!" Some folks think it's a carry issue but to me it's a safety issue!

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Apr 4, 2019 07:33:30   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
I have these Manfrotto pairs on all cameras and tripods, and I leave them on. If you want to spend more money, you can buy the Arca brand. The Manfrotto snaps into the mounting plate, and there is an additional lock you can move into position. You have make super sure that the camera is securely attached to the tripod plate, the tripod legs are locked and secure, and the head is locked in position. There are a lot of points of potential failure in a camera-on-tripod situation. I never leave the strap on the camera when it's on a tripod. It would be too easy for something or someone to catch the strap and knock the tripod over. About forty years ago, I lost a good Miranda Sensorex when tripod leg collapsed and dropped the camera to the floor.

https://smile.amazon.com/Manfrotto-323-Connect-Adapter-200PL-14/dp/B000JLK5PU/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=manfrotto+plate&qid=1554377276&s=gateway&sr=8-4

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Apr 4, 2019 07:38:44   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
billbarcus wrote:
Paul, that's what they make camera straps for! I never attach or detach any camera without the camera strap around my neck. Camera straps have saved me some repair bucks and a few damaged cameras.

Every time I see a photographer using a camera absent a camera strap, or not around their necks, I just want to smack them up the side of the head.


Right! I have a two-step process. 1) pick up the camera; 2) put the strap around my neck.

If you've ever watched Kai Wong reviewing cameras online (I forget the name, but it was a very good camera review series with a camera store in Hong Kong), you'd cringe to see how he handled cameras.

I see he's got his own YouTube channel now. Good! He's informative and funny.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCknMR7NOY6ZKcVbyzOxQPhw

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Apr 4, 2019 08:14:29   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
I always keep the strap around my neck even when on a tripod.

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Apr 4, 2019 08:37:59   #
Szalajj Loc: Salem, NH
 
Don, the 2nd son wrote:
When I prompted a friend with a large zoom combo and strap hanging I was told "I don't want to carry it around my neck!" Some folks think it's a carry issue but to me it's a safety issue!

With my camera and the big zoom attached, I do put the strap around my neck, but I actually carry the combo by holding the tripod mount attached to the lense. The strap is my safety "line" just in case I trip on something and let go of the mount to catch my balance. I don't like having all of that weight dependant on the two ends of the strap all of the time, there's just too much money invested in my equipment to chance one of the strap ends letting go at the wrong monent.

I will not carry my tripod around on my shoulder with my camera mounted to it. Even with my (over 20 years old) workhorse Manfrotto tripod, and a really good mounting plate, I still don't trust it for more than a few feet of moving it with the camera mounted on top.

Yes my strap goes around my neck as soon as I grab my camera out of my backpack, until it's safely mounted on the tripod.

I was gifted a lighter weight tripod just over a year ago, that is rated for my new camera and big lens weight, but I haven't been able to get any more plates for it yet, and I'm still working on getting it set up for how I use a tripod, the handle on the head is upside down right now. I need to take it back to Hunt's, and ask them to order me 3 more mounting plates for it. I have 3 plates for the Manfrotto, but one of them needs a TLC repair.

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Apr 4, 2019 08:42:51   #
Szalajj Loc: Salem, NH
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I have these Manfrotto pairs on all cameras and tripods, and I leave them on. If you want to spend more money, you can buy the Arca brand. The Manfrotto snaps into the mounting plate, and there is an additional lock you can move into position. You have make super sure that the camera is securely attached to the tripod plate, the tripod legs are locked and secure, and the head is locked in position. There are a lot of points of potential failure in a camera-on-tripod situation. I never leave the strap on the camera when it's on a tripod. It would be too easy for something or someone to catch the strap and knock the tripod over. About forty years ago, I lost a good Miranda Sensorex when tripod leg collapsed and dropped the camera to the floor.

https://smile.amazon.com/Manfrotto-323-Connect-Adapter-200PL-14/dp/B000JLK5PU/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=manfrotto+plate&qid=1554377276&s=gateway&sr=8-4
I have these Manfrotto pairs on all cameras and tr... (show quote)

That looks exactly like the one that I have on my older Manfrotto tripod, and as long as you double check that it seated correctly when it was clicked into place, it's been rock solid for me! Only once in the last 5 years hasn't it attached correctly the first time that I clicked into place.

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Apr 4, 2019 08:51:37   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
chrissybabe wrote:
I have just had a look at a picture of the Befree. If it was mine I would have a look at either of two things.

1. Remove the plate and see how the top of the ball head is attached to the socket. I would hope that it might be Manfottos usual with a hex screw down through the clamp into the top shaft of the ball head. If so then unscrew it (and knowing Manfrotto it will be tight). In its place screw a Swiss Arca clamp with matching SA plate on the camera and problem solved.
2. Check how the ball head is attached to the top of the tripod shaft. I cannot help you here since I don't have one in front of me but it will almost certainly be removable somehow. Replace it with a decent ballhead/Swiss Arca fitting.

I have had a few challenges with Manfrotto heads but have managed to sort them all even though some required a little engineering.
I have just had a look at a picture of the Befree.... (show quote)




In addition to that, I use a wrist strap and when my camera is securely mounted it is easy to remove.

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Apr 4, 2019 09:02:45   #
Paul60 Loc: Lowestoft, UK
 
What have I started ? !!!

Great info.

Thanks chaps, maybe other new players reading this thread will learn or be warned before they drop their camera.

Paul : )

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Apr 4, 2019 11:33:42   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Bipod wrote:
It's always frustrating when brand new, name-brand gear let's one down.

Unfortunately, I'm not a Manfrotto user, so I can't suggest a fix or workaround.
At least you now know to pay extra care.

Many (most?) of the quck release systems on the market aren't really positive
action--at least not to the extent of, say, a climbers screwgate locking carabiner,
a turn-bolt action rifle, or even a refrigerator door latch.

Not many kids today want to be mechanical engineers. As electronics has grown
in prestige and prominence, mechanical design has suffered. Even fewer kids
want to be machinists. And programs to train both have suffered cutbacks or
been eliiminated.

Moreover, cost-cutting means that things that used to be made of metal are now
made of injection-molded plastic. Molding in a single piece puts severe limits
on the kind of shapes hat are impossible to make.

But even metal parts tend to be stamped or folded rather than machined or
forged. "Designing for manufacturability" everything possible is done to
reduce the amount of labor per unit. Priority #1 is to avoid machining
(turning, drilling, milling, etc.). Even computer-controlled machining is too
expensive unless millions of units are to be made and the selling price is high.

The root cause of all this isn't new technology: It's a stock market full of investors
who only look at short-term returns, and who expect every industry to be as
profitable as a hotel-casino. Profits are supposed to go up every quarter,
and public companies that fall short are punished by investors. And executive
compensation is now tied to stock price.

What feels like a hundred years ago, I was taught that every type of business has
a typical rate of return---higher for a casino than a grocery store or a farmer. The
only way a business could improve on that was by "eating the seed corn" so to speak.
If you cut costs beyond a certain point, say the baker starts using sawdust in his bread--
you'd lose customers and hollow-out the business. And it's still true.


This can't explain why closely-held corporations turn out so much junk--but
they too are mostly run by MBAs, who are taught to "manage by the bottom line".
According to business schools., you don't know to know anythig about
photography or the camera industry to run a camera manufacturing firm.

But we must also blame ourselves. Many consumers go looking for
a carbon fiber tripod, but few ask if the quick-release system is
positive action. Many buy based on a long list of "brochure features",
but few ask if the basic features work reliably.

As long as businesses love profit above all else, and consumers love
technology above all else, we will live in a world filled with expensive
gadgets that don't work and can't be fixed. And even those that do work
(most of the time) don't interoperate because they have proprietary
interfaces (quick release plates, lens mounts, hotshoe pins, etc.).
It's always frustrating when brand new, name-brand... (show quote)


Hear, hear!

Andy

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