Discarding jpegs due to multiple edits? (Page 2): You assumed that I was trying to argue raw versus JPEG, when I wasn't at all. We are all "JPEG users" by the way. Mike...

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

Dragonophile wrote:

PLEASE, I DO NOT WANT A RAW VRS JPEG DISCUSSION. I... (show quote)

You assumed that I was trying to argue raw versus JPEG, when I wasn't at all.

We are all "JPEG users" by the way.

Mike

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

imagemeister wrote:

I think I have made a max of 3 edits on the same JPEG - it happens ! ......Why edit ANY files ??

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I am not arguing shooting raw versus shooting JPEG, by the way.

If you have an editing program, which you must have to be doing any editing, minimal or not, why edit in the JPEG format? Not saying you shouldn't, not saying you are wrong, not saying that the world will tumble down if you do. I am simply asking why? You choose the format you work with in the editing program. Why choose JPEG?

This is about what format to edit in, not what format to shoot in.

Mike

JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco

Even if I shoot in JPEG, I save as a TIFF or PSD to edit, so I can do it nondestructively in layers, and have the ability to redo my edits if I want.

Dragonophile

Blenheim Orange wrote:

I am not arguing shooting raw versus shooting JPEG, by the way.

If you have an editing program, which you must have to be doing any editing, minimal or not, why edit in the JPEG format? Not saying you shouldn't, not saying you are wrong, not saying that the world will tumble down if you do. I am simply asking why? You choose the format you work with in the editing program. Why choose JPEG?

This is about what format to edit in, not what format to shoot in.

Mike

OK, First, the online site I have contributed >800 pictures to requires jpeg files under 12MB. Second tiff files are larger & require more storage. Third, my camera doesn't produce tiff files so I would need the added step of conversion. Fourth, when I print books of my pictures, companies like Shutterfly only accept jpeg files - not tiff. I don't want to invest in learning a tiff editor when everything I do is jpeg oriented. Hope that answers your question.

imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida

Blenheim Orange wrote:

I am not arguing shooting raw versus shooting JPEG, by the way.

If you have an editing program, which you must have to be doing any editing, minimal or not, why edit in the JPEG format? Not saying you shouldn't, not saying you are wrong, not saying that the world will tumble down if you do. I am simply asking why? You choose the format you work with in the editing program. Why choose JPEG?

This is about what format to edit in, not what format to shoot in.

Mike

Because I want simple and fast - minimum softwares....never lost a JPEG because I edited it 3 times ....

AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire

Dragonophile wrote:

PLEASE, I DO NOT WANT A RAW VRS JPEG DISCUSSION. I... (show quote)

Yes. In my earlier years of post processing I edited a few to the level where I felt they were not worth preserving. Some of them had as few as three edit/save processes. Happy?

Andy

Dragonophile

AndyH wrote:

Yes. In my earlier years of post processing I edited a few to the level where I felt they were not worth preserving. Some of them had as few as three edit/save processes. Happy?

Andy

Andy, how long ago are you talking about? Was this when digital first came out or more recently? What were the files sizes? Were you saving at highest quality or more severely compressing? Are we talking posters or pictures sizes?

What did you see that made you discard them? Less sharpness? Missing data blocks?

You no longer edit jpegs?

I am not questioning you or your judgment. I am truly trying to find out this information.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

I normally edit RAW files as changing something only adjusts the sliders, not the actual image data.
If I edit a JPEG (mostly for cropping), I almost always keep the original (file space is cheap), saving the changed file as IDnnnnchg.JPG, where ID is the camera prefix, nnnn is the image number, and chg could be cropped, 8x10, adj, adj2, BW, etc.. I save everything as fine or best resolution.
I can see the differences in Windows Explorer, so the file name info doesn't have to be real wordy.
But everyone has their own method that works best for them.

wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado

Dragonophile wrote:

I have read/been told that every time you edit a j... (show quote)

Yes. One can normally open, modify, and save only about three times before things start getting ugly. Remember, " open, modify, and save" is not the same as "open, close". One must modify and save to change the file.

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

imagemeister wrote:

Because I want simple and fast - minimum softwares....never lost a JPEG because I edited it 3 times ....

Thanks. Different people are happy with different levels of quality, of course. Editing does not degrade a JPEG, by the way. Compressing it does, and it is the amount of compression, not the number of times it is compressed that matters. The file is compressed when it is saved.

I wasn't trying to dismiss anyone else's methods. It never occurred to me to make edits directly to a JPEG, going back to the days of scanning in prints to the computer. I just wondered why anyone would want to do that. Every program has a lossless format available. Working with those formats is simple and fast. Don't you have to use software to edit the JPEG?

Mike

AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire

Dragonophile wrote:

Andy, how long ago are you talking about? Was this when digital first came out or more recently? What were the files sizes? Were you saving at highest quality or more severely compressing? Are we talking posters or pictures sizes?

What did you see that made you discard them? Less sharpness? Missing data blocks?

You no longer edit jpegs?

I am not questioning you or your judgment. I am truly trying to find out this information.

2007-2009 original
Shots. Saved as late as 2015. Highest quality available at the time. Because they sucked / in both IQ and lossy blocks. I haven’t shot JPEG images in several years - there is IMHO, no reason to.

Andy

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

Dragonophile wrote:

OK, First, the online site I have contributed >800 pictures to requires jpeg files under 12MB. Second tiff files are larger & require more storage. Third, my camera doesn't produce tiff files so I would need the added step of conversion. Fourth, when I print books of my pictures, companies like Shutterfly only accept jpeg files - not tiff. I don't want to invest in learning a tiff editor when everything I do is jpeg oriented. Hope that answers your question.

Shoot JPEGs, store JPEGs, upload and post JPEGs - of course. But you asked about editing. I was curious why anyone would do editing within the JPEG format (assuming that you mean doing multiple "save" operations on a JPEG file.) I am simply asking you why you do that, not telling you not to do that. You asked if the concern about loss of quality when doing multiple saves in the JPEG format was a real thing. Yes, it is. Will it bother you? Maybe not. If you are happy that is all that matters.

Mike

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

Dragonophile wrote:

OK, First, the online site I have contributed >800 pictures to requires jpeg files under 12MB. Second tiff files are larger & require more storage. Third, my camera doesn't produce tiff files so I would need the added step of conversion. Fourth, when I print books of my pictures, companies like Shutterfly only accept jpeg files - not tiff. I don't want to invest in learning a tiff editor when everything I do is jpeg oriented. Hope that answers your question.

You don’t need to learn a special TIFF editor. Just convert to/save as a TIFF, use your favorite PP tool, and then save as a JPEG. Extra steps, but, no degradation issue.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

Why do anything but edit a copy of the original JPEG?

kenievans Loc: Dallas

I understand that saving a jpeg file compresses it. If I edit a raw file and export it as a jpeg does that compress it the same as saving it?