Can Windows force its way in, even if your computer's wi fi key is set to off?
Apr 1, 2019 14:10:36 #
Having trouble wording that question for a viable Google search result.
Computer has been offline for months, and just in sleep mode when I wasn't using. Last wake-up didn't work, so I forced turn off, and when I turned back on, I got a message that said updates were installing. I also have evidence that a virus joined the party (am seeing 100% disk usage when I'm not doing anything). Help? (Windows 10)
Computer has been offline for months, and just in sleep mode when I wasn't using. Last wake-up didn't work, so I forced turn off, and when I turned back on, I got a message that said updates were installing. I also have evidence that a virus joined the party (am seeing 100% disk usage when I'm not doing anything). Help? (Windows 10)
Apr 1, 2019 14:14:48 #
larryepage
Loc: North Texas area
Linda From Maine wrote:
Having trouble wording that question for a viable Google search result.
Computer has been offline for months, and just in sleep mode when I wasn't using. Last wake-up didn't work, so I forced turn off, and when I turned back on, I got a message that said updates were installing. I also have evidence that a virus joined the party (am seeing 100% disk usage when I'm not doing anything). Help? (Windows 10)
Computer has been offline for months, and just in sleep mode when I wasn't using. Last wake-up didn't work, so I forced turn off, and when I turned back on, I got a message that said updates were installing. I also have evidence that a virus joined the party (am seeing 100% disk usage when I'm not doing anything). Help? (Windows 10)
Linda--
If it's been a few months, there are a couple of updates that are really CPU intensive to install, and a pretty long list of others. I wouldn't worry too much right now. I'd just let it finish. It will take a while. And the restart will also take quite a while.
Those updates may have already been queued up the last time you powered off.
Apr 1, 2019 14:19:34 #
Larry is right.
There was a major update last October (I think). It started and was stopped a few times. Now it seems to be a more widespread rollout. We've watched our two computers go through it. Other than inconvenient, it has been fine. My read is that if nothing else matters, security is better.
There was a major update last October (I think). It started and was stopped a few times. Now it seems to be a more widespread rollout. We've watched our two computers go through it. Other than inconvenient, it has been fine. My read is that if nothing else matters, security is better.
Apr 1, 2019 14:21:30 #
If you have auto-update on, the updates may have been downloaded and the computer went to sleep before it installed them -OR-
I have also had updates installed (Win 7) and the next day was a message in a pop-up window waiting response to re-boot (now?/later?) to finish installing the updates. Maybe it got tired of waiting for an answer?
I have also had updates installed (Win 7) and the next day was a message in a pop-up window waiting response to re-boot (now?/later?) to finish installing the updates. Maybe it got tired of waiting for an answer?
Apr 1, 2019 14:32:54 #
Sorry guys, I wasn't clear in my request. Seems so clear inside my head - ha!
I did not WANT it to update; that's why I have deliberately left offline for so long. However, it apparently did update (per the message on screen when I forced shutdown and restarted). I had not turned on the wi fi key (first thing I checked when computer rebooted), so my first question is: did Microsoft override that somehow?
The update apparently happened, and the screen that says "don't turn off your computer" went away fairly quickly. Everything appeared normal 'til I tried to do some work in my photo editor. System running ultra-slow, and even closing the editor, I am seeing "100% disk space usage."
I did not WANT it to update; that's why I have deliberately left offline for so long. However, it apparently did update (per the message on screen when I forced shutdown and restarted). I had not turned on the wi fi key (first thing I checked when computer rebooted), so my first question is: did Microsoft override that somehow?
The update apparently happened, and the screen that says "don't turn off your computer" went away fairly quickly. Everything appeared normal 'til I tried to do some work in my photo editor. System running ultra-slow, and even closing the editor, I am seeing "100% disk space usage."
Apr 1, 2019 14:33:19 #
If your router and/or modem is still running, your computer is never really "off". In the future unplug every thing if you want the computer off
Apr 1, 2019 14:35:01 #
boberic wrote:
When I try to go to the internet the computer says wi fi is off. A tough lesson learned, it appears? If your router and/or modem is still running, your computer is never really "off". In the future unplug every thing if you want the computer off
Gotta keep wi fi on for UHH and other internet use via my Chromebook. Thank you!
Apr 1, 2019 14:48:44 #
larryepage
Loc: North Texas area
Linda From Maine wrote:
Sorry guys, I wasn't clear in my request. Seems so... (show quote)
Yeah...one of the major "features" of Windows 10 is that except for "Enterprise" users with special licenses and provisions, there is no longer any option not to update in Windows 10. The best you can do is delay updates by 30 days. The good news (at least so far) is that updates have not been destructive. I'm sure that the updates you saw happening were from the last time you were connected, especially if they are finished already.
I have kept my computers up to date since moving to Windows 10 with no ill effects at all. And a couple of them are at least 6 years old. They still run fine. It is possible that some additional updates might have been initiated during your episode today. If those find an opportunity to finish, they should also not hurt anything.
Apr 1, 2019 15:02:15 #
Apr 1, 2019 15:04:00 #
I can't imagine (but would not be surprised) that Win 10 would circumvent the WIFI setting.
On mine (all Win 7), if I turn off WIFI, my other computers can no longer see the device.
(I have to turn WIFI off on the laptop when I wire it directly to the desktop (special cable), otherwise it elects to transfer files via WIFI and not the umbilical cord, which will take FOREVER over encrypted WIFI.)
On mine (all Win 7), if I turn off WIFI, my other computers can no longer see the device.
(I have to turn WIFI off on the laptop when I wire it directly to the desktop (special cable), otherwise it elects to transfer files via WIFI and not the umbilical cord, which will take FOREVER over encrypted WIFI.)
Apr 1, 2019 15:19:36 #
larryepage wrote:
This would make sense if it hadn't been many months since I last put that computer online ... I'm sure that the updates you saw happening were from the last time you were connected, especially if they are finished already...
However, I guess one answer is that I forced shutdown to reboot, when it wouldn't come out of sleep, and so the remnant of update - regardless of age - finally had a chance to install.So, you're confident my "100% disk space usage" will resolve itself?
Apr 1, 2019 15:20:36 #
1. I really don't understand why you don't want the updates, some are important and most are for security. Things like closing loopholes found etc.
2. Many updates only finish when the machine is shut down, until then they are just sitting there unfinished so the shut down activated their "finish" command. And shut down does not turn everything off, only about 95%-it keeps on those things needed for a fast bootup/start, only a restart turns 100% of everything off and then back on and some updates will only finish on a restart-they usually tell you to do a restart as part of the finish for the update process.
3. there are a bunch of processes that can chew up CPU and Disk usage. Look here for the stuff to check and turn off to keep disk usage under control:
https://www.drivereasy.com/knowledge/100-disk-usage-windows-10-fixed/
One of the main ones is the indexing of the drive to speed up searches - some machines will do that constantly - I turned it off and searches are a few seconds slower but it runs faster the rest of the time.
2. Many updates only finish when the machine is shut down, until then they are just sitting there unfinished so the shut down activated their "finish" command. And shut down does not turn everything off, only about 95%-it keeps on those things needed for a fast bootup/start, only a restart turns 100% of everything off and then back on and some updates will only finish on a restart-they usually tell you to do a restart as part of the finish for the update process.
3. there are a bunch of processes that can chew up CPU and Disk usage. Look here for the stuff to check and turn off to keep disk usage under control:
https://www.drivereasy.com/knowledge/100-disk-usage-windows-10-fixed/
One of the main ones is the indexing of the drive to speed up searches - some machines will do that constantly - I turned it off and searches are a few seconds slower but it runs faster the rest of the time.
Apr 1, 2019 15:22:52 #
Longshadow wrote:
I just heard from my brother, who is very computer knowledgeable, that if computer wi fi button is off, there is no way for anyone, even big brother Bill, to enter. It won't really matter, as long as that "100 disk space usage" resolves. But 13 months ago, I had the same issue (after buying the computer and getting all the initial updates) and was told by Best Buy - where I purchased - that a virus had invaded. Ironic since I was using the virus protection they offered (free for a year).I can't imagine (but would not be surprised) that Win 10 would circumvent the WIFI setting...
And I know from what I'm seeing with current virus program, it never was able to go out to update its database.
Apr 1, 2019 15:27:10 #
robertjerl wrote:
Thanks, Robert. When I turned the computer back on, the wi fi button was still to OFF. The reason I didn't care about updates is because I had not intention of putting that laptop back online once it was all fixed from last year's issue. I use a Chromebook for all internet activities.1. I really don't understand why you don't want t... (show quote)
I will check your link, many thanks.
Apr 1, 2019 15:27:59 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
I just heard from my brother, who is very computer... (show quote)
I stopped going to my local best buy for service, some of them were good techs and some were total duds. I now have a little local store whose owner is good and as a fall back a friend of my daughter's works at an IT guy at the local Staples.
It doesn't take a virus to get "100% Disk Usage", it only take s a few setting that allow stuff to run constantly.
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