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Mar 31, 2019 20:44:17   #
Vincejr Loc: Northern Kentucky
 
Perfect exposure would be so everything in your picture you're taking would be able to be seen

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Mar 31, 2019 20:52:05   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
ronpier wrote:
My problem is lousy composition. Lots of great exposures, lack of interesting images. My goal this year is to shoot better images and to just not shoot better shots.


Hey, if you've got exposure and focus locked down, to the point where they're second nature, it becomes much easier to concentrate on composition and on noticing and "seeing" compelling images.

You got this...

Andy

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Mar 31, 2019 21:27:09   #
Kennykorn
 
AndyH wrote:
What does "correct" exposure mean?

If you mean an exposure that allows you to print the full dynamic range of the scene in your selected medium (monitor, paper, metal print, transparency, etc.) then it means exposing for the highlights in digital media, exposing for the shadows in film.

If you intend to project a high key or low key image, one that runs either the highlights or shadows together, but leaves the other end well delineated, it's something different as well.

I remember taking sunset photos in my early years, with a film camera and hand held meter. I bracketed at one stop intervals on Kodachrome to get a variety of choices for my final images. You couldn't stretch the contrast in the darkroom, and underexposed slides developed a greenish or bluish cast that was very unappealing. I would meter on the foreground, on an average basis, and on an incident dome, to see what looked best.

The answer, as Kodachrome veterans may have already inferred, is "it depends". Sometimes the vision I saw in the viewfinder was best expressed as a darker exposure, sometimes one that would objectively be considered overexposed.

It was always an artistic or value judgment, even in this inherently SOOC type of photography. Although we have more tools to expand our choices on how to project our visions today, it remains an artistic judgment, at least in my opinion.

Andy
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Well Stated! In the end, Judgement is a mere assessment of reflected and absorbed Light on the retina which varies with persons. Given that we all see the spectrum differently, is not beauty an abstract value because the eye can't measure what it can't see. Hence beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I would also suggest there is often an emotional value that skews what we see irrespective of all other photographic measures and viewers.

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Mar 31, 2019 21:35:01   #
dione961
 
olemikey wrote:
Instead of the "Exposure Triangle" of my yesteryears, my current digital photography "triangle" is relatively equally weighted: = Focus / Exposure / Post Process, all done to achieve my intended situational Composition (what's in "my mind's eye") and frame filling, captured vision of the selected scene. I love SOOC, and all forms of "Auto & Scene Recognition", but more often than not, each time I come back to an SOOC/Auto shot, I'm tweaking it in PP, to polish/finalize the capture.

I shoot mostly Manual, followed by AP - Why? I grew up on film and manual cameras, understand composition and light, know what my intent is, so it just feels natural for me - YMMV. Do I use the rest of the dial when the convenience is helpful, or situation begs it, of course, as well as all the other features and capabilities of my equipment that fit the situation. At this age/stage of my development, Composition is ingrained and it seems my eyes/mind know what the light meter is going to tell me, where "auto" is going to take me, what shutter speed I need, etc. etc.

There is a plethora of great insight in this thread (and many others over time), when you read and digest the information, and put together all the better points and explanations (without naming and quoting all the great contributors), the question is answered (to me).
mike
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Hi Mike - I'm of much the same mind as you - focus 1st, then exposure, then pp, all as parts of the overall composition, only I don't have the "muscle memory" yet for how light & shadow will turn out and pp is proving tougher to get a handle on ATM than the camera was! What an adventure. Agree - great topic though. D

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Mar 31, 2019 21:38:26   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
But it's a bit better than the stupid exposure triangle.


Not really, it’s just three unrelated points to creating a good photo. Really not a triangle at all. I guess maybe the exposure triangle is stupid if you don’t understand it.

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Mar 31, 2019 21:49:46   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Not really, it’s just three unrelated points to creating a good photo. Really not a triangle at all. I guess maybe the exposure triangle is stupid if you don’t understand it.


But neither is the so-called exposure triangle a triangle. The exposure is composed of aperture and shutter speed - the ISO or film speed is the receptor. I think it confuses more people than it enlightens, as a metaphor. Either film speed or ISO sets a baseline for how the exposure itself is recorded.

olemikey, a talented photographer and literal rocket scientist, is using a slightly different triangle metaphor to express the three most important qualities of an image. So is bebulamar. It's no better or worse a metaphor than the "exposure triangle" - just a different way at looking at what's important in an image.

Andy

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Mar 31, 2019 21:57:46   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
AndyH wrote:
Hey, if you've got exposure and focus locked down, to the point where they're second nature, it becomes much easier to concentrate on composition and on noticing and "seeing" compelling images.

You got this...

Andy


Thanks Andy, I guess the work is cut out for me starting this year!! Ron

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Mar 31, 2019 22:01:08   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
AndyH wrote:
But neither is the so-called exposure triangle a triangle. The exposure is composed of aperture and shutter speed - the ISO or film speed is the receptor. I think it confuses more people than it enlightens, as a metaphor. Either film speed or ISO sets a baseline for how the exposure itself is recorded.

olemikey, a talented photographer and literal rocket scientist, is using a slightly different triangle metaphor to express the three most important qualities of an image. So is bebulamar. It's no better or worse a metaphor than the "exposure triangle" - just a different way at looking at what's important in an image.

Andy
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I would say that the sensor or film is the receptor. The ISO or film speed is a variable that changes, just like the aperture and shutter speed, thus the three sides of the triangle.

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Mar 31, 2019 22:07:56   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
ronpier wrote:
My problem is lousy composition. Lots of great exposures, lack of interesting images. My goal this year is to shoot better images and to just not shoot better shots.


For composition it might help to take an art class. The principles are the same as in photography.

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Mar 31, 2019 22:08:26   #
skywolf
 
It's always important, IMO, to get things as right in the camera as you can, but that's not always possible when it comes to exposure. You don't always have time to get a second shot, light can change or a subject can move from a light area to a dark area or a number of other circumstances. Focus is much more critical, and exposure, unless you're really off, can usually be fixed in post.

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Mar 31, 2019 22:37:28   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
AndyH wrote:
But neither is the so-called exposure triangle a triangle. The exposure is composed of aperture and shutter speed - the ISO or film speed is the receptor. I think it confuses more people than it enlightens, as a metaphor. Either film speed or ISO sets a baseline for how the exposure itself is recorded.

olemikey, a talented photographer and literal rocket scientist, is using a slightly different triangle metaphor to express the three most important qualities of an image. So is bebulamar. It's no better or worse a metaphor than the "exposure triangle" - just a different way at looking at what's important in an image.

Andy
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Thanks for the reafirmation Andy. As you say, my metaphor was trying to expand the vision of the process, or maybe I should say "my vision of the process". The Exposure Triangle is a very important piece of the process, but is not all encompasing, we are just adding the other tools to the equation, as (to me) one is useless without the others.

Makes one think of a new "template" describing the process, incorporating the needs and wants, the tried and true methodologies, of the development of a digital photo. Perhaps; Exposure Triangle + Composition & Focus = Data file/capture (X) Post Processing Operations = Finished Photo. I'm not a mathmatician, so I'm positive it could be represented in a better way, hopefully makes sense to someone besides me!!!!

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Mar 31, 2019 22:43:07   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
hassighedgehog wrote:
For composition it might help to take an art class. The principles are the same as in photography.


That may be a possibility. Books can only go so far. I also need to get in the field more often.

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Mar 31, 2019 23:07:05   #
no12mo
 
I usually go a "tat" under. I can always bring up the shadows (lower levels). You cannot recover highlights that hit the rail. They're gone forever

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Mar 31, 2019 23:14:41   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
srt101fan wrote:
Many folks here say or imply that getting the "correct" exposure is a must if you want to get good images. Many will add that you have to shoot in "manual" to get control of the camera and get that "correct" exposure. I'm wondering what message this sends to newcomers.

Yes, you should try to get the exposure as close to "perfect" in the camera.

Yes, there are difficult lighting situations that can cause the camera's light meter to give you readings that may be wrong for what you want. But, let's face it, changing exposure is just a matter of letting in more or less light and/or changing the ISO. The light meters in modern cameras are pretty darn good. And if the lighting is squirrelly, you can make the proper up or down adjustments using exposure compensation if you're in one of the auto modes. And you have a fair amount of control in post-processing, particularly if you're shooting RAW.

I don't mean to resuscitate the Manual vs. semi-auto modes debate. I'm just wondering if there is too much of a mystique being attached to getting the "proper" exposure. So how important is it to "nail" the exposure settings? Aren't there more important, or at least equally important considerations such as focus, depth of field, etc.?
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What I preach on my photo tours in Alaska is that if you can nail the exposure and focus, you can pretty much do anything you want with the file. So, once you have your picture framed up, for me its exposure and focus. How you get that exposure doesn't really make any difference if its the right one. 250, f8.5, 200 ISO is the same in Auto or some priority mode or manual. If that's the right exposure you're good to go.
...Cam

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Mar 31, 2019 23:27:48   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I would postulate that shooting in manual is the only way to have complete control over the initial exposure and end result That is if using RAW format for the capture.
--Bob
hassighedgehog wrote:
I suspect the OP was more referring to the tendency of some to claim that the only true way to get good exposure is in manual. Shooting in manual is not necessarily the only way.

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