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Mar 31, 2019 09:51:15   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
PHRubin wrote:
You can't recover what isn't there in JPG.

True dat. Can't recover what isn't there in a raw picture either. Well, on a jpg, you can add what isn't there. Let Unmesh Dinda (PixImperfect) show what [you] can do with a black and white jpg here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5Y8YcKnRm0

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Mar 31, 2019 09:52:23   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
If you do post processing and understand what a RAW file is, I think that you would know the answer.

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Mar 31, 2019 10:22:32   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
AndyH wrote:
They are certainly "processable", it's just that the range of adjustment is much more limited. It's inherent in the format. Andy

Some truth in that, but, the real issue is does it matter? If one shoots jpg, and one shoots raw, and no one can tell the difference on what format was originally shot, then, What Difference Does it Make?
AndyH wrote:

If you don't like to do post processing, or work really hard on the principle of getting it right in camera, there is nothing wrong with editing JPEGs.
All I'm saying is that for me, I want the maximum range to work with and no image degradation from subsequent editing. YMMV, as always, may vary.
Andy

I love doing post processing, and I try, albeit not as hard as I could, to get it right in the camera. I have not been able to identify any reason I need to shoot in raw. I've looked at plenty of photo's here and everywhere, and have yet to find a relationship between those shooting raw, and those not in the end results. Yes, I've often looked at photo's of those wearing the raw t-shirts, and still find no compelling reason to shoot in raw. I've shot and edited 100's of photo's in raw, still nothing. YMMV, of course.

Nothing wrong with shooting in raw, but nothing particularly right about it either. The results just don't compare to the massive exaggerations of the raw pundits. Is there a difference, yep, does it matter, almost never.

It gets really old listening to people say 'shoot jpg if you don't like post processing' That is pure rubbish!

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Mar 31, 2019 10:31:47   #
penndragonn
 
DAN Phillips wrote:
Too much post processing done, in my opinion, period. The picture should start in the mind and heart, transfer to a camera then to an image editor. Once that is done, you decide what YOU like and go with it. I'd rather be out getting the shot than worrying about how someone else will like it, unless there's a paycheck somewhere in the equation. There are exceptions to rules, do what works best for you, but keep shooting. Remember, You took the shot,not the computer. In my humble opinion.


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Mar 31, 2019 10:44:16   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
BebuLamar wrote:

So PP doesn't substitute for shooting RAW. You shoot JPEG if you don't want to do PP and shoot RAW when you do want to do PP.

Better to say you don't have to PP a jpg, but you can. You absolutly must PP a raw file.

Most people would be better off not PP anything, it's easy to screw up a nice picture in post, raw or jpg. Messing with colors, contrast and so on gets lots of people in trouble. But then, what fun is photography if you don't play?

Pro's that earn their living from their pictures already know if raw is needed for what they do. Most probably not, some, for sure.

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Mar 31, 2019 10:47:50   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Longshadow wrote:
I've not found how to get the white balance tweaked in a JPEG editor like I can in the RAW editor I use.
Guess I'll keep trying.
But - to each his own.


With JPEG capture you pre-process. Use a professional white balance target to nail exposure and white balance at the camera. Also set all the camera menus to your needs.

White balancing JPEGs in post is just not desirable.

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Mar 31, 2019 10:50:07   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
NO

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Mar 31, 2019 10:59:45   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
julian.gang wrote:
I'm wondering does post processing in Lightroom and Photoshop take the place of shooting in RAW?...Julian


Shooting RAW and Post Processing compliment each other in every way. They go together "like peas and carrots" to paraphrase Forrest. Many RAW shots are hardly viewable unprocessed, but become magical when PP'd.

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Mar 31, 2019 11:15:20   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
BigDaddy wrote:

This is exactly right. I've been editing photos 20+ years, long before raw was available to me. When raw became available, I tried it, and found very little difference. Further more, I think PS raw editor is what gives people the wrong idea about raw files. For example, I've heard repeatedly you can't edit white balance in a jpg. This is wrong, and I think its because PS raw editor has white balance tool that makes it a no brainer. Using curves and so on is much less "user friendly" so people think it can only be adjusted in raw files.

The other thing is people constantly say you can save a seriously screwed up exposure in raw. Perhaps, but then, don't seriously screw up your exposure. There is almost no excuse for that with today's cameras.

Personally, I enjoy editing more than taking pictures, and I rarely use raw.
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Mar 31, 2019 11:17:24   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
olemikey wrote:
Many RAW shots are hardly viewable unprocessed, but become magical when PP'd.


Part of the "magic" is that they appear so bad and NEED so much PP ! and this requires lots of software, memory/hardware, time, and knowledge ....
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Mar 31, 2019 11:22:30   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
RAW says YOU FIX IT. JPG is the camera FIXES IT.

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Mar 31, 2019 11:25:36   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
On the contrary, shooting in RAW allows more leeway in Post Processing. Best of luck.

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Mar 31, 2019 11:35:23   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I agree that you can edit white balance in a jpg. However, you do have more adjustment capability if you start with a raw file. The adjustment is much simpler because you are starting with more information.

Or, the adjustment is much simpler because you are using ACR which has dedicated tool for white balance.
I use ACDSee for file management and it has an editor that has a dedicated white balance tool and it is simple as it gets, and works great with a lowly jpg.
DirtFarmer wrote:
As far as correcting seriously screwed up exposures, raw does help a lot. And seriously screwed up exposures happen. It's no good just telling people not to do it. And the major cause is forgetting to restore a changed setting in your modern camera. Yes, it's operator error. But shooting raw helps to recover from our mistakes.

True but, your camera should instantly show you pic on the screen, so if it seriously screwed up, you adjust immediately. Of course, it is still possible to lose a picture, particularly a fleeting one that may never recur, but that almost never happens. I't's happened to me so rarely that I don't shoot raw. In fact, I don't recall it ever happening to me where raw would have saved me, at least since I went digital 20 years ago.
DirtFarmer wrote:

And since I got an iPhone last year I have done a lot of photos with it because it's so convenient. I find that since I have a jpg (or jpeg or HEIC) I frequently don't put it into LR because it's easier to just use it directly within the phone to send to people. So I have a lot of photos in the last year that are not in LR. These are now ephemera because my memory will not hold on to them well and also the iPhone photo organization isn't as good as LR at helping me to find images.

You really should transfer the pics from your phone into your PC and file manager. I use ACDSee and for the past 1 1/2 years 90% of my pictures are sent to me from my daughters cell phone, or my cell phone. I treat them the same as any other picture, catalog them, process them etc. I have going on 40,000 photo's with key words. I only process the good ones though, maybe 5%. Another reason raw is not my friend.

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Mar 31, 2019 11:43:12   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
olemikey wrote:
Shooting RAW and Post Processing compliment each other in every way. They go together "like peas and carrots" to paraphrase Forrest. Many RAW shots are hardly viewable unprocessed, but become magical when PP'd.


I'll add - There is no right / wrong way, personal preferrence rules supreme. There are valid reasons for all photographic methodologies, it's the intent of the photographer that really "maps or plots" the course of action. It really is as simple as "different strokes for different folks". For the professional or advanced hobbyist, that course of action is generally already plotted (before the camera or any processing is applied) based on the requirements of the task. The reason cameras have so many capabilities and functions is to try as best to satisfy the needs of the great many. The majority of the photographic community is covered by this marketing/component/capability approach, for those who need that extra specilization, it is available too, as a matter of equipment selection.

JPEG photos can be incredible, and can also be post processed to some degree (indeed, the camera is doing the processing for you, pre-processing "and post", if you so desire), but JPEG's are often just fine for the shooters requirements, SOOC.

In the end, it really is "up to you"!!

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Mar 31, 2019 12:03:00   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
imagemeister wrote:
Part of the "magic" is that they appear so bad and NEED so much PP ! and this requires lots of software, memory/hardware, time, and knowledge ....
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This is true & false at the same time (and I do get it!!). It is really all intent & composition driven. I often see photos on this (and other) sites that I might have shot or processed differently, doesn't make them good or bad, doesn't make any processing (in camera, pre or post, external to camera post processing) bad or good.

It (other folks pictures) goes back to the personal preference part of all this, and often discounts the intent of the original photographer. When I first jumped into RAW, I had many misgivings and misunderstandings of my own to deal with, and for many situations I still shoot RAW & JPEG. After shooting RAW for some time now, I'm so comfortable with my gear and the approach I can shoot SOOC with RAW. Some may shout "heresey", but it works out for me...

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