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Mar 26, 2019 14:18:35   #
lev29 Loc: Born and living in MA.
 
Gene51 wrote:
SOOC is one of the most often misunderstood and abused terms in photography - especially by adherents - who proclaim, quite proudly - that their images have not been processed, and they are visually complete and perfect. The problem is that most of the time it's not hard to spot an image that came straight out of the camera - it is either dull and lifeless, or the picture controls have been so maxed out that the images look cartoonish, ala Ken Rockwell.

In b&w film days, it meant making a careful and meaningful composition, then setting exposure to capture the fullest range of tones, with an eye on what was possible during negative and later print processing.

This was necessary because it was not always possible to replicate with a camera and film what the eye saw. My favorite example of this is Ansel Adams iconic Moonrise over Hernandez. The SOOC contact print was pure junk to the uninformed eye, but to Adams, the negative captured everything he needed to create some art. One of his quotes completely sums it up, "Dodging and burning are steps to take care of mistakes God made in establishing tonal relationships."

In film it was necessary to expose enough to capture important shadow detail. In digital it's important to capture highlight detail. In either case, processing was the way to balance the rest of the tonal range of an image.

Cropping is a very powerful tool. While it's nice to say that an image is uncropped, producing a carefully cropped image is often much better, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Clearly you "get it." Post processing, done with a skilled hand, makes a good picture, and it reflects the shooter's creative intent - something that - other than composition - is not possible with most SOOC images.

I think SOOC is great - and important - for certain types of photography. I have personally worked together with a food stylist and a client's creative director to make food product images. With 100% control over the lighting - SOOC was the rule. The creative director would communicate the intent, and review images live, on a computer screen, until the goals were met. Once all the images were shot and approved, they were burned onto a CD or DVD, and brought back to the client's graphic services department to turn them into product images for packaging and promotional literature. SOOC is also great for studio portraiture.

Love the fireworks - and your excellent treatment of an already good image!
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Mar 27, 2019 06:44:17   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
duane klipping wrote:
Do you not agree? Or are you saying it is the software and not the knowledge on how to use it or better yet visualize the final image before complete. The statement you made comes across as you do not believe it is art.


You would be correct. Photography is just that; photography.
When you use something that is made of plastic, metal and an electronic component to take a picture. Then transfer that picture to a laptop or computer from there you use a variety of software programs to enhance or embellish your picture you cannot call it art. It is a picture. Software programs have made the picture look better. The genius lies in the software.

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Mar 27, 2019 07:50:33   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Gene, if I am correct those images are from Ansel Adams and they show the power of post processing. The details are small here but the photograph looks to me like his famous "Moon rise over Hernandez, New Mexico." The negative was underexposed but his skillful darkroom techniques turned that negative into a work of art. That is the power of post processing when done right.

By cropping the original Wallen turned an otherwise ordinary fireworks photograph into an excellent one.

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Mar 27, 2019 07:55:30   #
sergio
 
are you saying that the first was not post-processed?

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Mar 27, 2019 09:05:40   #
crafterwantabe Loc: Mn
 
Fantastic job...the picture is spectacular

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Mar 27, 2019 09:32:11   #
Dannj
 
It’s a great picture but wouldn’t it have been better if the processed photo was the original at least in terms of the cropping? If the shooter had “seen” the cropped version and actually taken that shot as opposed to cropping?

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Mar 27, 2019 10:00:01   #
awis01
 
Dannj wrote:
It’s a great picture but wouldn’t it have been better if the processed photo was the original at least in terms of the cropping? If the shooter had “seen” the cropped version and actually taken that shot as opposed to cropping?


What would be the difference?

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Mar 27, 2019 10:34:14   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
Wonderful......thank you

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Mar 27, 2019 10:35:33   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
I thought it was the Magic Kingdom at first glance.

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Mar 27, 2019 11:22:03   #
Earnest Botello Loc: Hockley, Texas
 
Very well done, Wallen.

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Mar 27, 2019 12:45:28   #
Dannj
 
awis01 wrote:
What would be the difference?


I was afraid that would be confusing😊
Let me try this:
(a) Photog sees a scene, the original photo, and says that’s a great shot. Takes the pic and says that’s not as good as I thought it would be and gets to work on the pp, the result being the edited photo
(b) Photog sees the same scene, the original photo, and says if I zoom in on this and eliminate all the visual “noise”, set my camera to highlight the fireworks, etc, it will be even better. The result is the edited version of the original photo right out of the camera.

I guess that’s what I meant by “better”.

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Mar 27, 2019 12:49:47   #
Moondoggie Loc: Southern California
 
I enjoy both, I really like to see some of the creativity from the photo-artist. It also lets you see what you can do in PP. Nice picture. Thanks for sharing.

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Mar 27, 2019 16:06:10   #
Gazz96 Loc: Kapiti Coast, New Zealand
 
Wallen wrote:
Though many advocate SOOC (Straight out of camera) photography, we must not set aside the improvements that editing can achieve.
But such thinking should not make us sloppy, rather to treat that as another tool to enable us present, what we visualize within the clutter of of the moment.
Because that is the reality of life. There are times that we are limited by our equipment, time and other things that we can not control. So within our capacity, let us try our best to have it as close as (SOOC) as possible and take or add to that as little as we can to make things better.

First photo is a copy the actual capture and the second one is the cropped and edited version.
Though many advocate SOOC (Straight out of camera)... (show quote)


Impressive

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Mar 27, 2019 23:49:38   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
traderjohn wrote:
You would be correct. Photography is just that; photography.
When you use something that is made of plastic, metal and an electronic component to take a picture. Then transfer that picture to a laptop or computer from there you use a variety of software programs to enhance or embellish your picture you cannot call it art. It is a picture. Software programs have made the picture look better. The genius lies in the software.


If someone is just bumbling with the plastic and plays dice with the software you are absolutely right.
Even then, once in a while someone gets lucky.

Otherwise...

Art is the pinnacle of completion (When nothing more can be added or taken away to improve or make something better) where everything works together as a whole, giving itself a life of its own, capable of touching lives and invoking deep emotion.

Hence art can be anything as long as it has that quality. A song, Painting even software manipulated photographs.
For it is not the software that makes it art but the "deliberate" effort of the person who used the software as his/her brush, paint and canvass.

Sadly, now a days its meaning and essence has been tainted with technology, money and uncritical expectations that even mundane things have been called art.

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Mar 28, 2019 07:00:56   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Wallen wrote:
If someone is just bumbling with the plastic and plays dice with the software you are absolutely right.
Even then, once in a while someone gets lucky.

Otherwise...

Art is the pinnacle of completion (When nothing more can be added or taken away to improve or make something better) where everything works together as a whole, giving itself a life of its own, capable of touching lives and invoking deep emotion.

Hence art can be anything as long as it has that quality. A song, Painting even software manipulated photographs.
For it is not the software that makes it art but the "deliberate" effort of the person who used the software as his/her brush, paint and canvass.

Sadly, now a days its meaning and essence has been tainted with technology, money and uncritical expectations that even mundane things have been called art.
If someone is just bumbling with the plastic and p... (show quote)


Sorry. I don't buy it. It's apples and oranges. "Hence" a picture is a picture just a picture.

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