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Mar 24, 2019 10:03:27   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Delderby wrote:
In-camera settings should be able to adjust contrast, saturation, WB, Sharp, and noise control. Are you suggesting that adjusting those elements could not improve things? Or perhaps a scene mode? Is it not about knowing one's gear inside and out? or even Auto?


Improve things, probably.
But in the end, it's about the light. The background has good light. The face, not so much.
Fill flash would have helped, definitely.
I don't see how changing the camera settings could have really helped brighten the face and preserved the background. Camera settings are global. The postprocessing allows you to do local adjustments.

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Mar 24, 2019 11:15:31   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
olsonsview wrote:
You may try adding a flash to your toolkit? A little bit of fill flash will bring up the shadow areas on the lovely ladies face and bring the dynamic range of the picture to fit the sensor better. You will also add a twinkle to the eyes which is very pleasant. You may notice that a pro shooting weddings outdoors still uses his flash. Also if not using a flash why not turn down the ISO to the camera's lowest to increase the dynamic range? A digital camera records a wider range with lower ISO settings.
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Flash is usually not welcomed nor practical in outdoor sports action photography. Flash is VERY useful in outdoor portrait and other work. Best of luck.

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Mar 24, 2019 11:17:38   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I disagree that the OP would have been able to get it "right" in camera (depending on just what your definition of "right" is). The face is in shadow, the background is well lit. To brighten the face you would have had to overexpose the background.

You have to ask yourself what the purpose of the photo is. If it's journalistic or forensic, then you should be emphasizing with the exposure the particular feature you are interested in. If it's a portrait, I see nothing wrong with postprocessing to even things out. Since the OP did not specify that the photo was for any specific purpose I have assumed that it's a portrait.
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To me anyway, knowing what Jules usually shoots, this was a sports action photo taken during a sporting event. Best of luck.

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Mar 24, 2019 11:20:57   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Delderby wrote:
In-camera settings should be able to adjust contrast, saturation, WB, Sharp, and noise control. Are you suggesting that adjusting those elements could not improve things? Or perhaps a scene mode? Is it not about knowing one's gear inside and out? or even Auto?


I don't know of any professional sports shooter that uses 'scene mode' when shooting sports. 'Scene mode' is missing on pro cameras. Best of luck.

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Mar 24, 2019 11:31:46   #
Toby
 
Jules Karney wrote:
I need some comments here.
Here is my question. I get what I think is the right exposure, get home put pics. on the computer and some are over exposed by half a stop or more. But look right in the viewfinder. I shoot in priority mode, auto iso, auto white balance. I adjust exposure up maybe 1 stop for the back light when the sun is up and creating harsh shadows on the faces. This shot looked right on in the viewfinder, but as you can see over exposed.
Nikon D500.
Thanks in advance.
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Other than a fill flash which is not practical when shooting sports I am not sure there is much else to do when shooting. I suggest that you try using the "shadows" slider in LR. It has worked well for me.

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Mar 24, 2019 11:45:04   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
cjc2 wrote:
I don't know of any professional sports shooter that uses 'scene mode' when shooting sports. 'Scene mode' is missing on pro cameras. Best of luck.


Yes - but I thought of that pic as a portrait rather than a sports photograph - and I am sure that was the imtent, and was it captured by a professional?

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Mar 24, 2019 12:15:14   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Delderby wrote:
Yes - but I thought of that pic as a portrait rather than a sports photograph - and I am sure that was the imtent, and was it captured by a professional?


Jules and I shoot with similar styles. That shot was a grab shot and not a portrait, per se. It may look similar to a portrait, but it is lacking any portrait lighting. "Scene modes', useful when one is starting in photography would not be used by a pro at a sporting event. Simply not enough time to be playing around with settings, especially at a track meet with multiple events at the same time. Jules was asking about exposure. My comment was that, given the conditions and the available lighting, the exposure was good and could easily be enhanced in post as needed. Best of luck.

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Mar 24, 2019 12:25:36   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
Also consider a fill flash.

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Mar 24, 2019 12:33:01   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Not overexposed, IMO. A good exposure. But use Shadows/Highlights to tone down the highlights which would balance it a little more.

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Mar 24, 2019 12:45:04   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
cjc2 wrote:
Jules and I shoot with similar styles. That shot was a grab shot and not a portrait, per se. It may look similar to a portrait, but it is lacking any portrait lighting. "Scene modes', useful when one is starting in photography would not be used by a pro at a sporting event. Simply not enough time to be playing around with settings, especially at a track meet with multiple events at the same time. Jules was asking about exposure. My comment was that, given the conditions and the available lighting, the exposure was good and could easily be enhanced in post as needed. Best of luck.
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Mar 24, 2019 13:33:40   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
cjc2 wrote:
Jules and I shoot with similar styles. That shot was a grab shot and not a portrait, per se. It may look similar to a portrait, but it is lacking any portrait lighting. "Scene modes', useful when one is starting in photography would not be used by a pro at a sporting event. Simply not enough time to be playing around with settings, especially at a track meet with multiple events at the same time. Jules was asking about exposure. My comment was that, given the conditions and the available lighting, the exposure was good and could easily be enhanced in post as needed. Best of luck.
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My point exactly.

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Mar 24, 2019 14:36:55   #
donrosshill Loc: Delaware & Florida
 
I know it may be difficult when shooting outdoor sports events, however the use of your flash should not be overlooked. That would help in filling in the deep shadows and balancing the dynamic range of the photograph. Yes, I know that in some cases the subject may be so far away that the flash may be ineffective.
Don

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Mar 24, 2019 15:11:46   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
donrosshill wrote:
I know it may be difficult when shooting outdoor sports events, however the use of your flash should not be overlooked. That would help in filling in the deep shadows and balancing the dynamic range of the photograph. Yes, I know that in some cases the subject may be so far away that the flash may be ineffective.
Don


I think the comment is that flash is either not allowed or at least not appreciated by the participants in sporting events...

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Mar 24, 2019 15:51:03   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
Delderby wrote:
In-camera settings should be able to adjust contrast, saturation, WB, Sharp, and noise control. Are you suggesting that adjusting those elements could not improve things? Or perhaps a scene mode? Is it not about knowing one's gear inside and out? or even Auto?


Too much contrast in that scene. Expose for highlights and lose the face in shadow. There is nothing to adjust "in camera" (which is no different in adjusting in post processing, only much more limited). Knowing one's equipment to a real photographer means knowing exactly what each piece of gear is capable of, and that means knowing what the computer can do as much as knowing what the camera can do.

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Mar 24, 2019 16:41:05   #
Jules Karney Loc: Las Vegas, Nevada
 
cjc2 wrote:
Jules and I shoot with similar styles. That shot was a grab shot and not a portrait, per se. It may look similar to a portrait, but it is lacking any portrait lighting. "Scene modes', useful when one is starting in photography would not be used by a pro at a sporting event. Simply not enough time to be playing around with settings, especially at a track meet with multiple events at the same time. Jules was asking about exposure. My comment was that, given the conditions and the available lighting, the exposure was good and could easily be enhanced in post as needed. Best of luck.
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Actually it was a grab shot. Waiting for the relays to begin.

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