Dr Pepper - Pledge of Allegiance
Mar 23, 2019 03:32:45 #
lenben
Loc: Seattle
Think about this: Either all religions are wrong or they are all wrong except one. The history of humanity, and much prejudice, mayhem and destruction has been brought about over the centuries by those trying to prove that theirs is the "one".
Mar 23, 2019 04:30:38 #
lenben wrote:
Think about this: Either all religions are wrong or they are all wrong except one. The history of humanity, and much prejudice, mayhem and destruction has been brought about over the centuries by those trying to prove that theirs is the "one".
Don't forget to include the religion of atheism, and the religion of humanism and secularism, they're responsible for more prejudice, mayhem and destruction than any theistic system.
Mar 23, 2019 06:46:34 #
Don't forget to include flaming rectums running at the mouth like Chicken Little.
Mar 23, 2019 08:38:50 #
thom w
Loc: San Jose, CA
rpavich wrote:
I guess you would but that guts the pledge of its significance.
Our nation was founded by folks who knew that our rights came from our creator and that no human or government could take them away. The idea that there should be justice for all is founded upon the idea that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. The language is very clear and specific.
Our nation was founded by folks who knew that our rights came from our creator and that no human or government could take them away. The idea that there should be justice for all is founded upon the idea that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. The language is very clear and specific.
Really? The pledge had no significance until the phrase was added in the 50's? I'm sure that's news to a lot of people.
Mar 23, 2019 09:17:08 #
thom w wrote:
Really? The pledge had no significance until the phrase was added in the 50's? I'm sure that's news to a lot of people.
The significance is that the US was founded on Christian principles and the phrase “under God” goes back to Lincoln...its a direct quote.
Thats the significance.
Mar 23, 2019 11:27:25 #
ricardo7
Loc: Washington, DC - Santiago, Chile
rpavich wrote:
The significance is that the US was founded on Christian principles and the phrase “under God” goes back to Lincoln...its a direct quote.
Thats the significance.
Thats the significance.
The U.S. Constitution is a wholly secular document. It contains no mention of Christianity or Jesus Christ. In fact, the Constitution refers to religion only twice in the First Amendment, which bars laws "respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," and in Article VI, which prohibits "religious tests" for public office. Both of these provisions are evidence that the country was not founded as officially Christian.
More info here: https://www.au.org/resources/publications/is-america-a-christian-nation
Mar 23, 2019 11:36:22 #
ricardo7 wrote:
The U.S. Constitution is a wholly secular document... (show quote)
That's not what I said; I didn't say "the constitution must contain a mention of Christianity or Jesus Christ".
I said that America was founded on Christian principles...not the same thing. Anyone who knows history knows that the founders of our country weren't godless men for the most part. I could fill this thread with quote after quote from them illustrating that fact.
Secondly, any reading of our founding documents (bill of rights for example) and various personal documents of men from those times, would dispel the idea that we were founded by secular men with secular ideas.
Mar 23, 2019 13:15:23 #
ricardo7
Loc: Washington, DC - Santiago, Chile
The founding principles of America are in the US Constitution. Things like the right
to be armed, free speech, free press etc. If christian principles were meant to be a
founding concept of America I believe it would have been written into the constitution.
to be armed, free speech, free press etc. If christian principles were meant to be a
founding concept of America I believe it would have been written into the constitution.
Mar 23, 2019 13:35:54 #
ricardo7 wrote:
The founding principles of America are in the US Constitution. Things like the right
to be armed, free speech, free press etc. If christian principles were meant to be a
founding concept of America I believe it would have been written into the constitution.
to be armed, free speech, free press etc. If christian principles were meant to be a
founding concept of America I believe it would have been written into the constitution.
Yep. Same as the Declaration of Independence and the Bible.
In God We Trust.
Not evil rascist, lying, c***ting, s***e owning, murderous leftie Dems.
Mar 23, 2019 17:56:02 #
ricardo7 wrote:
The founding principles of America are in the US Constitution. Things like the right
to be armed, free speech, free press etc. If christian principles were meant to be a
founding concept of America I believe it would have been written into the constitution.
to be armed, free speech, free press etc. If christian principles were meant to be a
founding concept of America I believe it would have been written into the constitution.
I have no doubt that you believe that, however you are ignorant of US history then.
Mar 23, 2019 20:32:57 #
ricardo7
Loc: Washington, DC - Santiago, Chile
rpavich wrote:
I have no doubt that you believe that, however you are ignorant of US history then.
Nothing I have said is untrue.
Mar 23, 2019 20:58:22 #
ricardo7 wrote:
Nothing I have said is untrue.
You said:
“ If christian principles were meant to be a
founding concept of America I believe it would have been written into the constitution.”
It may be true that you believe that, yes, but your belief itself is false.
Mar 23, 2019 22:59:39 #
Christianity can't take full credit for good solid moral principals in this world...other belief systems have them as well...they are universal t***hs.
A good portion of the founders were not Christians. They likely all believed in a Creator, but this country was founded on democratic principals and moral principals.
A good portion of the founders were not Christians. They likely all believed in a Creator, but this country was founded on democratic principals and moral principals.
Mar 23, 2019 23:01:05 #
ricardo7
Loc: Washington, DC - Santiago, Chile
rpavich wrote:
You said:
“ If christian principles were meant to be a
founding concept of America I believe it would have been written into the constitution.”
It may be true that you believe that, yes, but your belief itself is false.
“ If christian principles were meant to be a
founding concept of America I believe it would have been written into the constitution.”
It may be true that you believe that, yes, but your belief itself is false.
No, it is not false.
Mar 23, 2019 23:03:23 #
mwalsh wrote:
Christianity can't take full credit for good solid moral principals in this world...other belief systems have them as well...they are universal t***hs.
A good portion of the founders were not Christians. They likely all believed in a Creator, but this country was founded on democratic principals and moral principals.
A good portion of the founders were not Christians. They likely all believed in a Creator, but this country was founded on democratic principals and moral principals.
Proving these universal belief systems are from God. Lemme read my copy of the Declaration of Independence.
Sure wasn’t gifted by some leftie. That’s for sure.
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