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Mar 20, 2019 11:11:24   #
TreborLow
 
Let's not make a mountain out of a can of beans (or soda). I too, remember when that phrase was added and objected then and still do. We are a country with a constitutional separation of Church and State and we should abide by that law. Right now, there are too many other, much more important things to protest than an aluminum can.

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Mar 20, 2019 11:14:16   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
Whose God? mine? yours? an agnostic's? a Hindu's? a Protestant's? a Jewish, Catholic, and on and on? Do you realize that most wars in history have been fought over religion? Millions of people have died over the centuries because someone else didn't like their god. Best to not pretend that your version of God is the only version that's legitimate. "When you pray, go into your closet.....". In other words, your religion should be a private matter and you have no right to tell me I'm wrong about mine. We can all love one another as human beings without insisting that one particular belief system is the only path to love. In fact, most religions don't even seem to understand the concept of love. If they did, we wouldn't still be having religious wars.

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Mar 20, 2019 11:16:06   #
bobbyjohn Loc: Dallas, TX
 
ricardo7 wrote:
To many people god is non-existent or completely insignificant. I for one would like to have the term removed from the pledge of allegiance.


Thankfully, God is adored and respected in many institutions of government, as shown by the collage here. Without God in our lives, we become lost. Witness what happens to countries like Russia or China, etc. when the "state" becomes their god.


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Mar 20, 2019 11:17:08   #
Larry Powell Loc: Columbus OH
 
When was this image made? Stories like this fly all over the internet and usually are not true. I do not know about this one.

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Mar 20, 2019 11:18:22   #
Larry Powell Loc: Columbus OH
 
That is a very foolish remark and I do not think this is a political forum.

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Mar 20, 2019 11:55:21   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
olemikey wrote:
Which God, Whose God, What God, Is there a God, and on and on.... Religion is like patriotism, and vice versa, it is/should be inside you, warming you, guiding you, not worn on your sleeve.... Not all have the same beliefs, that makes them neither bad nor good, and our beliefs should be our own, and we should all be allowed to practice our individual beliefs, especially in this great nation. Words and symbols and f**gs are just decorations, it is what is inside each of us that matters, and how we treat our fellow human beings. My$.02
Which God, Whose God, What God, Is there a God, an... (show quote)


Totally agree!! Well formulated and stated!
Mark

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Mar 20, 2019 12:06:28   #
EdU239 Loc: The Northeast
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
Dr Pepper designed a patriotic can featuring the Statue of Liberty, but they left out the phrase “under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance heading. When asked why, Dr Pepper replied: “We felt ‘One Nation … Indivisible’ best represented the message we were trying to get across.”

Dr Pepper has used the excuse that wasn’t enough room on the can for the words “Under God.” The real reason is that the company didn’t want to risk offending anyone who doesn’t believe in God. Bad timing. After the events of 9/11, that’s just not politically correct anymore! Sad! .... that "Indivisible" is more important than "God."
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One added bit of irony: From Wikipedia— The author was a Baptist minister and Christian socialist named Francis Bellamy.

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Mar 20, 2019 14:50:32   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
ricardo7 wrote:
To many people god is non-existent or completely insignificant. I for one would like to have the term removed from the pledge of allegiance.


I guess you would but that guts the pledge of its significance.

Our nation was founded by folks who knew that our rights came from our creator and that no human or government could take them away. The idea that there should be justice for all is founded upon the idea that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. The language is very clear and specific.

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Mar 20, 2019 14:59:07   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
amyinsparta wrote:
Whose God? mine? yours? an agnostic's? a Hindu's? a Protestant's? a Jewish, Catholic, and on and on?


The only God that actually exists....the God that the founders recognized; the Creator. The God of the bible.

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Do you realize that most wars in history have been fought over religion? Millions of people have died over the centuries because someone else didn't like their god.


Actually that's false. Quit repeating it.

The biggest murderers in history have been Godless.
In their book, “Encyclopedia of Wars,” authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod document the history of recorded warfare, and from their list of 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people k**led in warfare. While, for example, it is estimated that approximately one to three million people were tragically k**led in the Crusades, and perhaps 3,000 in the Inquisition, nearly 35 million soldiers and civilians died in the senseless, and secular, slaughter of World War 1 alone.

History simply does not support the hypothesis that religion is the major cause of conflict.

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Best to not pretend that your version of God is the only version that's legitimate.


Sorry, I will proclaim the t***h for as long as I'm allowed to...even if you don't like.

I'll also point out the severely sloppy reasoning you are displaying here:

Your point: "other folks claim that their god is the real god and so do you so nobody can know which or if any is real"

The issue with your reasoning: Just because counterfeit bills exist does that mean that real money doesn't exist? Of course not. That's horribly sloppy thinking.

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"When you pray, go into your closet.....". In other words, your religion should be a private matter and you have no right to tell me I'm wrong about mine.


Hahaha...this is so out of the atheist play book! I don't believe in your bible but I'll quote it if I can get you to shut up.

How would you like another quote out of that same bible?

"Go preach the good news to all men...." and "make disciples out of all men"

Whoops.

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We can all love one another as human beings without insisting that one particular belief system is the only path to love. In fact, most religions don't even seem to understand the concept of love. If they did, we wouldn't still be having religious wars.


The problem is that the concept of loving your fellow human is a wholly Christian concept. Without an ultimate standard of morality, why should one piece of cosmic broccoli care what another piece of cosmic broccoli does to them?

Morality only makes sense via the Christian worldview.

And secondly, nobody said it's a path to love...at least not Christians. We say this: "you will die in your sins unless you repent and believe in the only One who can save you...Jesus Christ...so please reach out to Him before it's too late and you receive the just punishment for your sins...."

That's the Christian message and that's what I'm commanded to proclaim as the good news.

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Mar 20, 2019 15:09:05   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Next will be the poem on the Statue of Liberty, "Give me your poor...etc." which some think should be given the force of law. Not! It's just a poem.


Thanks for the reminder a lot of people are offended by the way he or she or it looks like. Down with the Statue of Liberty!! Till we can tell it’s sex oops I’m g****r i mean I I need another shot of da koolade

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Mar 20, 2019 15:16:47   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
ricardo7 wrote:
No, I mean god. Or, perhaps I should say gods.


I like your idea we should strike all the coins with God on them down! Then we have to go after George Washington next! He owned s***es very bad boy he must be stricken from da history books. I think the next 10 or so presidents as well. Honest Abe also mentioned God he must go folks! Sorry I know there won’t be much left of our country, but upward and onward

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Mar 20, 2019 16:51:37   #
Muddyvalley Loc: McMinnville, Oregon
 
amyinsparta wrote:
Whose God? mine? yours? an agnostic's? a Hindu's? a Protestant's? a Jewish, Catholic, and on and on? Do you realize that most wars in history have been fought over religion? Millions of people have died over the centuries because someone else didn't like their god. Best to not pretend that your version of God is the only version that's legitimate. "When you pray, go into your closet.....". In other words, your religion should be a private matter and you have no right to tell me I'm wrong about mine. We can all love one another as human beings without insisting that one particular belief system is the only path to love. In fact, most religions don't even seem to understand the concept of love. If they did, we wouldn't still be having religious wars.
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Mar 20, 2019 18:19:46   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Those who are bent of digging into the archives of history should be able to discover when the word “God” was inserted.


bobbyjohn wrote:
Thankfully, God is adored and respected in many institutions of government, as shown by the collage here. Without God in our lives, we become lost. Witness what happens to countries like Russia or China, etc. when the "state" becomes their god.

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Mar 20, 2019 18:22:34   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
I seem to recall that the Masons called Him the Grand Creator of the Universe. I need to be corrected on this - other Masons sound off.



amyinsparta wrote:
Whose God? mine? yours? an agnostic's? a Hindu's? a Protestant's? a Jewish, Catholic, and on and on? Do you realize that most wars in history have been fought over religion? Millions of people have died over the centuries because someone else didn't like their god. Best to not pretend that your version of God is the only version that's legitimate. "When you pray, go into your closet.....". In other words, your religion should be a private matter and you have no right to tell me I'm wrong about mine. We can all love one another as human beings without insisting that one particular belief system is the only path to love. In fact, most religions don't even seem to understand the concept of love. If they did, we wouldn't still be having religious wars.
Whose God? mine? yours? an agnostic's? a Hindu's... (show quote)

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Mar 20, 2019 19:10:11   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
rpavich wrote:
The problem is that the concept of loving your fellow human is a wholly Christian concept. Without an ultimate standard of morality, why should one piece of cosmic broccoli care what another piece of cosmic broccoli does to them?

Morality only makes sense via the Christian worldview.

And secondly, nobody said it's a path to love...at least not Christians. We say this: "you will die in your sins unless you repent and believe in the only One who can save you...Jesus Christ...so please reach out to Him before it's too late and you receive the just punishment for your sins...."

That's the Christian message and that's what I'm commanded to proclaim as the good news.
The problem is that the concept of loving your fel... (show quote)


Beautiful well stated!

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