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G****l W*****g Is The Biggest Fraud In History
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Mar 20, 2019 10:30:48   #
EyeSawYou
 
Frosty wrote:
......and the biggest fraud in U.S. history is Donald J. Trump.


Wrong, the biggest fraud in WORLD history is Democrat Socialism and Regressivism.

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Mar 20, 2019 10:44:18   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Frosty wrote:
The earth has been warming SLOWLY since the last glacial period, around 11,700 years ago. The warming has greatly accelerated since the start of the industrial revolution (approx. 1860). Industry needed energy which led to the subsequent burning of f****l f**l which releases carbon that has tied up in coal and oil for millions of years.

Warming has been happening for thousands of years but the alarming issue is the increased rate of warming in the past 150 years, or so.


From: https://geology.utah.gov/map-pub/survey-notes/glad-you-asked/ice-ages-what-are-they-and-what-causes-them/

"Currently, we are in a warm interglacial that began about 11,000 years ago. The last period of glaciation, which is often informally called the “Ice Age,” peaked about 20,000 years ago. At that time, the world was on average probably about 10°F (5°C) colder than today, and locally as much as 40°F (22°C) colder."
The earth has been warming SLOWLY since the last g... (show quote)

All this talk about warming by fractions of one degree is trivial. We are in the coldest period on Earth ever measured. Look at any temperature graph of Earth's history and you will see that it was always warmer in the past than it is today. The staunches G****l W*****g scientists will not dispute this. Here is one such example:



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Mar 20, 2019 10:56:28   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
LWW wrote:
Fwankie gets his ‘science’ from picture books about imaginary flying men who wear underpants over their tights.


At the risk of teaching a moron something, I give you the following"

The specific geologic processes and timing that formed the Grand Canyon spark lively debates by geologists. The general scientific consensus, updated at a 2010 conference, holds that the Colorado River carved the Grand Canyon beginning 5 million to 6 million years ago.

But no matter, Louise. These were Geologists who are Scientists. I'm sure Donald Trump has a better answer like Mexicans dug it and stole the dirt to build Mexico.

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Mar 20, 2019 11:40:41   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Steven Seward wrote:
I h**e to burst your bubble, but the ARGO Project was started in the early 2000's to accurately measure ocean temperatures by putting 4,000 buoys around the World's oceans with sensitive thermometers. The result has been no change in overall ocean temperature over the 15 years or so its been in operation.


Democrats will never embrace facts or t***h. The new green deal will make many rich and that is the name of the game for dems, weath, money, greed and power.

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Mar 20, 2019 12:37:57   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Steven Seward wrote:
I h**e to burst your bubble, but the ARGO Project was started in the early 2000's to accurately measure ocean temperatures by putting 4,000 buoys around the World's oceans with sensitive thermometers. The result has been no change in overall ocean temperature over the 15 years or so its been in operation.


Goremons are all science deniers.

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Mar 20, 2019 17:24:39   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
LWW wrote:
Goremons are all science deniers.

That is so true. I always become exasperated when these guys on the Left call us the science deniers. More often than not, when confronted with actual science about G****l W*****g, they either deny it, change the subject, or they just go away.

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Mar 20, 2019 18:09:42   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Steven Seward wrote:
That is so true. I always become exasperated when these guys on the Left call us the science deniers. More often than not, when confronted with actual science about G****l W*****g, they either deny it, change the subject, or they just go away.


The left has never provided the science, just what they "believe". Prove it or shut up.

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Mar 20, 2019 18:19:47   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
The left has never provided the science, just what they "believe". Prove it or shut up.

It's funny how many of them don't believe in God, but they will believe any junk science some L*****t tells them as long as it makes them feel good.

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Mar 20, 2019 18:23:44   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
The left has never provided the science, just what they "believe". Prove it or shut up.


Alternative energy research and investment are not waiting for your approval. Capitalism and technology will make f****l f**l exploration, extraction, t***sport, refining and ultimate distribution a non-starter.

Bonus!! ... the earth gets to limp along another 600 years being able to sustain human life.

"At current rates of birth and environmental degradation, we'll need a new planet in 600 years." Stephen Hawking, shortly before his death. A decade earlier he thought we had around 1000 years for a plan B.

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Mar 20, 2019 18:48:27   #
Frosty Loc: Minnesota
 
Steven Seward wrote:
All this talk about warming by fractions of one degree is trivial. We are in the coldest period on Earth ever measured. Look at any temperature graph of Earth's history and you will see that it was always warmer in the past than it is today. The staunches G****l W*****g scientists will not dispute this. Here is one such example:


I think you are missing the point. Climatologist say we are in an ice age. You have to look at the time scale on the graph. It's the rate of change that is troubling. We are not in the warmest period on earth which was the Eocene period, about 50 million years ago. We are in a cold period but that is when humans came into existence and where we thrive.

These trivial temp changes, as you call them, mean a huge amount of energy is added to the earth's atmosphere. The result of all this energy, besides melting ice and rising sea levels, is more severe storms, like hurricanes and tornados, and more droughts and flooding. I think you would agree that we are seeing this already.

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Mar 20, 2019 19:13:09   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Steven Seward wrote:
It's funny how many of them don't believe in God, but they will believe any junk science some L*****t tells them as long as it makes them feel good.


That’s spot on.

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Mar 20, 2019 21:23:30   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
Frank T wrote:
At the risk of teaching a moron something, I give you the following"

The specific geologic processes and timing that formed the Grand Canyon spark lively debates by geologists. The general scientific consensus, updated at a 2010 conference, holds that the Colorado River carved the Grand Canyon beginning 5 million to 6 million years ago.

But no matter, Louise. These were Geologists who are Scientists. I'm sure Donald Trump has a better answer like Mexicans dug it and stole the dirt to build Mexico.
At the risk of teaching a moron something, I give ... (show quote)


You are right the ice never got any wheres near the Grand Canyon.

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Mar 20, 2019 21:32:04   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Frank T wrote:
At the risk of teaching a moron something, I give you the following"

The specific geologic processes and timing that formed the Grand Canyon spark lively debates by geologists. The general scientific consensus, updated at a 2010 conference, holds that the Colorado River carved the Grand Canyon beginning 5 million to 6 million years ago.

But no matter, Louise. These were Geologists who are Scientists. I'm sure Donald Trump has a better answer like Mexicans dug it and stole the dirt to build Mexico.
At the risk of teaching a moron something, I give ... (show quote)


"Mexicans dug it and stole the dirt to build Mexico. Not many people know that." Babylon

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Mar 20, 2019 23:34:11   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Frank T wrote:
For starters, the Grand Canyon was NOT formed by glaciers but by the actions of the Colorado River. The Chesapeake Bay was formed by a meteor impact. The Badlands were formed by deposition and erosion, working together.
So considering none of your examples are even close to the science, why should we listen to you about C*****e C****e?


You are correct with regard to the Grand Canyon and the Chesapeake, but glacial erosion did play a role in the Badlands. The last glaciation, the Wisconcin, carved out the Great Lakes, All of New England and much of the Northern part of the US. There is a reason why you see dry stone walls in the upper 1/3 of the US. Glacial till. Next time you drive by a large boulder, which looks "out of place" it is probably a "Glacial erratic" evidence of glacial withdrawl. That glacier left Long Island, and carved out the NY City harbor. To this point there is no empirical evidence that g****l w*****g, as a result of increase of CO2 has actuallu occured. All there is, is computer models, which so far have been innacurate at their predictions.

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Mar 21, 2019 00:08:25   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Frosty wrote:
You have to look at the time scale on the graph. It's the rate of change that is troubling.

I've heard this assertion about the rate of change in temperature being the troubling part, but the scientists who say this are full of Doo-doo. There was a climatological event 12,000 years ago that is acknowledged by all the pro-G****l W*****g scientists. It is called the Younger Dryas Event. During this period the temperature dropped by a staggering 8 degrees Centigrade in less than ten years. When it was over a thousand years later, the temperature rose by the same amount in ten years. This rate of change is roughly 200 times faster than the measly one-half of a degree rise that they claim has happened over the last 100 years. For the life of me I can't understand how "experts" can get away with saying this lie that our current warming rate is unprecedented.
This is directly from NOAA, the governmental agency that is pushing the G****l W*****g Theory:
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/abrupt-c*****e-c****e/The%20Younger%20Dryas

Frosty wrote:
These trivial temp changes, as you call them, mean a huge amount of energy is added to the earth's atmosphere. The result of all this energy, besides melting ice and rising sea levels, is more severe storms, like hurricanes and tornadoes, and more droughts and flooding. I think you would agree that we are seeing this already.

Actually I don't agree. Although there is a slight increase in sea levels, there is no data that shows that there is more melting ice, severe storms, more tornadoes, more droughts, or more flooding. In fact there has been a slight decrease in tornadoes, again according to NOAA:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/07/12/inconvenient-noaa-data-shows-u-s-tornadoes-on-the-decline-since-1970/

Frosty wrote:
We are not in the warmest period on earth which was the Eocene period, about 50 million years ago.

You are correct that we are not in the warmest period, but the Eocene 50 million years ago is not considered the warmest. The farther you go back in history the warmer the planet gets. This graph from Wikipedia goes back 500 million years, which is only about 1/9 of the earth's life:


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