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Mar 10, 2019 08:37:29   #
dave.m
 
In my experience committed hobyists of any persuasion (photography, arts and crafts, DIY whatever) know the value of a specialist store and seem to be prepared to pay more for on-the-spot service and advice, ability to handle and check out, and the ability to return for warranty support etc.

I've been going to the same specialist photo shop for years. Probably 80%+ of my big ticket items come from there, and a similar percentage of my trade-in stuff has gone there. I know I can get cheaper on the internet, and get more selling on ebay, but the difference and hastle/ irritation factor is not worth it to me. They know I shop around so expect me to ask for best price. As others have noted, if it's reasonably close I'll buy from them.

When I was much younger, my parents owned a very successful traditional hardware store. When they came to retirement they offered the shop to me but with a warning that retail was changing fast and soon customers 'would get the kind of shopping they deserve'. He was referring to the concept that people concentrated on price not value or quality, couldn't care less about after sales support - until something went wrong. Because of my evolving career and their advice, I decided not to take up the shop which turned out be be a good decision. Since that time a town of 80,000 with 3 excellent hardware stores (ours the best of course) now has none and the nearest DIY superstore (B&Q, similar to Home Depot) is a 10ml round trip.

So support your local store if you can otherwise we will soon be left with general super stores or internet only.

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Mar 10, 2019 08:46:11   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
Yes, unless the difference is outrageous. If I want/expect service from the shop then they should be able to expect loyalty from me as a buyer

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Mar 10, 2019 08:51:16   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
GeorgeFenwick wrote:
If you visit a camera shop to evaluate options to purchase, should you then feel obligated to buy from that shop in return for their help, even if the prices are higher?


Popular question. If you interact with sales people, and you decide to buy that model, you should buy it from that store.



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Mar 10, 2019 08:57:29   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
I see this as mostly being covered by return policies. B&H offers a 30 day return policy IIRC. Buy it, try it and if not satisfied you can return it. I did that once with a KEH purchase... returned it in a few days, got refund and will recommend and purchase from them again too...

Bill Gordon wrote:
For some years now I have been wondering when the old retail model might evolve from local purchase sites to local demonstration sites, where manufacturers would simply have their, say cameras, available all in one place to enable customer browsing and hands - on experience with no purchases even possible on the site. Multiple (all) manufacturers would rent/buy space in the same location, the same "store". Very much like a continuous, local CES show, these sites would not have to be limited to cameras, but might serve any products where customers need to have that hands - on experience before making buying decision.
For some years now I have been wondering when the ... (show quote)

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Mar 10, 2019 09:05:47   #
Stephan G
 
GeorgeFenwick wrote:
If you visit a camera shop to evaluate options to purchase, should you then feel obligated to buy from that shop in return for their help, even if the prices are higher?


Bottom line. There is no obligation either for you to purchase or the store to provide assistance.

The benefit of dealing with a local store is the fact that it is a local store. One gets a cadre of people who can help in the learning curve of the purchased item, for example. Hence, it is the relationship formed that comes into play. Many people return to the same store because of the relationship.

On the side of the store, the myth that an immediate sale being the goal is incorrect. It is not, generally. It is that relationship formed, because it is the return sales that help the profit line. When I was doing floor sales, I did not expect any purchase. I provided the information that the potential customer needed. And I managed to hit the top salesman list because I provided information. I helped the customer "to buy". It was my experience that on the spot sales actually drove away future sales. And there have been studies in that direction that indicated such results.

My personal recommendation is to go into that local store and let them know you are shopping. Allow them to provide information. And feel free to purchase from whatever source that meets your budgetary needs. The sense of obligations notwithstanding.

Sales is a numbers game. And the business owners know that.

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Mar 10, 2019 09:06:06   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
Simply Yes!

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Mar 10, 2019 09:08:20   #
PMW603
 
My local shop has been very helpful and supportive in meeting my photography needs - answering my endless questions, recommending products that I have never heard of with amazing results and I always buy from them. However, I usually wait until Canon and our local store has a decent sale ... sometimes it’s a long wait but it’s worth it for me and for my local store.

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Mar 10, 2019 09:16:05   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
GeorgeFenwick wrote:
If you visit a camera shop to evaluate options to purchase, should you then feel obligated to buy from that shop in return for their help, even if the prices are higher?


When I go to the camera store to evaluate my options and I decide to buy, I definitely buy from them because they meet the price on B&H and do a little better. They can’t come down on the price of the camera; but they throw in better options (like an OEM grip) and give me a discount on accessories. My camera store also gives me points for my purchases. Right now I have enough points to get $150 off my next purchase...Hmmmm.

To answer your question...YES!

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Mar 10, 2019 09:23:52   #
par4fore Loc: Bay Shore N.Y.
 
GeorgeFenwick wrote:
If you visit a camera shop to evaluate options to purchase, should you then feel obligated to buy from that shop in return for their help, even if the prices are higher?


If you like them and they are helping you then so long as they are not charging more than B+H. If you do buy from them, it helps keep them thee for the future.

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Mar 10, 2019 09:47:14   #
alexol
 
100% YES!

Why should anyone in a bricks and mortar establishment devote time to you, so you can go somewhere else for a lower price? This is typically the sort of person who whines when the local shop goes out of business, and isn't available for their convenience to buy some minor item later.

For me the rules are very simple.

If I seek advice at a store, or go there to look at merchandise, especially if it is something time consuming for a salesman, I buy there. Period.

If it is a commodity item and I know exactly what I want, then I buy online.

Easy.

How is it reasonable to waste a salesman's time (who is probably on some kind of commission) so a person can then start hunting around online for a lower price?

I believe it was John Rushkin: Price, service, quality - pick any two.

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Mar 10, 2019 09:47:38   #
alexol
 
(Sorry all, deleted duplicate post)

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Mar 10, 2019 09:59:54   #
d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA
 
GeorgeFenwick wrote:
If you visit a camera shop to evaluate options to purchase, should you then feel obligated to buy from that shop in return for their help, even if the prices are higher?


Their willingness to help you is the likely, very reason for the higher pricing. Yes, I would buy from that store.

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Mar 10, 2019 10:06:48   #
insman1132 Loc: Southwest Florida
 
I would never take up a retailers time without coming back to give the store a chance to compete.

I am willing to pay up to 10% more to support a local retailer.

Just my personal philosophy!!

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Mar 10, 2019 10:07:03   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
If you have no intention of purchasing from a certain establishment, you have no right to waste their time helping you decide what to buy from someone else.

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Mar 10, 2019 10:15:08   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
insman1132 wrote:
I would never take up a retailers time without coming back to give the store a chance to compete.

I am willing to pay up to 10% more to support a local retailer.

Just my personal philosophy!!


Luckily my local camera shop matches prices found on Amazon. 10%? When they started to become available, I bought a D850 at my local camera shop for $3500 including taxes. I would not pay 10% more in any way, shape, or form.

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