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Mar 9, 2019 11:57:51   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
flightdog wrote:
Hi, I was kind of in your spot too, wanton no to try FF photography. However with family a new camera wasn’t where I wanted to spend my money.

I have a Sony NEX 7 that I’m happy with, it’s quirky for sure , however a unique and interesting camera.

I opted for a used Canon 5D that I bought on eBay. Very happy with this choice. I’ve since upgraded to a 5Dii that I purchased from MBP.com and am very happy with this upgrade (2x the camera of the 5D).

I have 2 lenses that I bought used an EF 300 Lf4.0 is and an EF 200 f2.0. I also purchased new an EF 50 f1.8, all at very reasonable prices from MBP and B&H.

My more portable set up is NEX 7 with a Sigma 30 f1.4.

Canon 5Dii and tele get used for my sons baseball games and some hiking etc. my NEX7 goes with me in the cockpit of my 777 just in case I see something I want to capture. IQ suffers a bit due to shooting through windscreen but...good enough for some unique perspective!

Point is, used equipment is plenty good, affordable and usually more than enough for my attempts at the art of photography.

Good luck and I can recommend mob.com for buying and selling, they are always upfront and quick.
Hi, I was kind of in your spot too, wanton no to t... (show quote)


Dog … I think you meant - mpb.com …. two entries - both wrong …

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Mar 9, 2019 12:45:31   #
ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or
 
Bike guy wrote:
I currently own, and really like, my Sony a6000 and my Sony Nex7. I am thinking of moving to one of the full frame versions, either the a7 or a7s (36k megapixel).
I will keep the other cameras, at least for now.
I do have one FE lens, 28-70 and a couple of Canon F lenses that I use with a Fotodiox pro converter.
I focus on landscape photography.
Any hogs out there with experience with either the a7 or a7r? thanks


I would trade out the Nex7 for a a7iii or the a7sii. All depends on what you shoot. I have a a99ii (primary camera) a6000 for travel and when I don't want the weight and for wildlife. I also have a a7s. The reason I mentioned the a7sii is because of the low light abilities. I shoot night and milkyway photos and the a7sii (a7s) really shines. I rearly have to worry about high ISO noise. I have a Sigma 150-600mm That I use on the a6000 for max zoom and then put it on the a7s to pump up the ISO for high shutter speeds when shooting birds. Now referance the a7iii vs a7rii and a7riii. It's pretty much a matter of bells and whistles. Like my a99ii, the a7rii and a7riii are high MP cameras. Except for the bells and whistles and slight improvement of image. I don't thing you will see that much difference between your a6000 and the a7iii. you will see a big difference when you look at the a7r or a7s series. Yes I do like the difference in image of the a99ii vs the a6000. I like the crop image for wildlife and general shooting and the FF for my landscapes. This preferance comes from my film background in shooting 2-1/4 vs 35mm. Images from my a99ii slow down my 3 yr old Mac a bit compared to the a7s or the a6000, but I'm in no hurry. Check out used cameras to save some $$$$. I mostly use the kit lenses on my a6000 but I have Zeiss and G lenses for my other Sony cameras. Tough choices. Just evaluate what will fit your shooting style. Happy shooting.

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Mar 9, 2019 13:16:42   #
SalvageDiver Loc: Huntington Beach CA
 
Bike guy wrote:
Appreciate all the excellent responses. After having done more research, the IBIS feature is a necessity for me due to arthritis shake, etc. And 36megapx isn't that important. Plus the A7Rii is more than I want to pay.
I will look for anA7ii which along with my a6000 igives me a good pair of cameras.


You can't go wrong with this combo. This is what I have and love it. I found that after getting the a6000, I started using my a7ii less. I picked up the a6000 for hiking but find i use it more and more for everyday use. It's just a fun camera. Be aware that the lens you now have for the a6000 may not work on the a7, but the lens you acquire for the a7 will work on the a6000. Your FE lens will work just fine on the a6000.

Mike

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Mar 9, 2019 13:54:04   #
Bike guy Loc: Atlanta
 
ORpilot wrote:
I would trade out the Nex7 for a a7iii or the a7sii. All depends on what you shoot. I have a a99ii (primary camera) a6000 for travel and when I don't want the weight and for wildlife. I also have a a7s. The reason I mentioned the a7sii is because of the low light abilities. I shoot night and milkyway photos and the a7sii (a7s) really shines. I rearly have to worry about high ISO noise. I have a Sigma 150-600mm That I use on the a6000 for max zoom and then put it on the a7s to pump up the ISO for high shutter speeds when shooting birds. Now referance the a7iii vs a7rii and a7riii. It's pretty much a matter of bells and whistles. Like my a99ii, the a7rii and a7riii are high MP cameras. Except for the bells and whistles and slight improvement of image. I don't thing you will see that much difference between your a6000 and the a7iii. you will see a big difference when you look at the a7r or a7s series. Yes I do like the difference in image of the a99ii vs the a6000. I like the crop image for wildlife and general shooting and the FF for my landscapes. This preferance comes from my film background in shooting 2-1/4 vs 35mm. Images from my a99ii slow down my 3 yr old Mac a bit compared to the a7s or the a6000, but I'm in no hurry. Check out used cameras to save some $$$$. I mostly use the kit lenses on my a6000 but I have Zeiss and G lenses for my other Sony cameras. Tough choices. Just evaluate what will fit your shooting style. Happy shooting.
I would trade out the Nex7 for a a7iii or the a7si... (show quote)


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Mar 9, 2019 15:45:31   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Bike guy wrote:
I currently own, and really like, my Sony a6000 and my Sony Nex7. I am thinking of moving to one of the full frame versions, either the a7 or a7s (36k megapixel).
I will keep the other cameras, at least for now.
I do have one FE lens, 28-70 and a couple of Canon F lenses that I use with a Fotodiox pro converter.
I focus on landscape photography.
Any hogs out there with experience with either the a7 or a7r? thanks

I've had the A7R and A7 II. I now have the A7S and A7R II, as well as the RX10 III & IV.

The A7R is a great camera; however, the A7R II is a nice step up. I did not like the A7 II; found it quite noisy at higher ISO's. I understand the A7 III is a vast improvement.

If you have Canon lenses to use with any of the Sony bodies, I'd highly recommend the Sigma MC-11 adapter. I also have a Fotodiox and MetaBones III & IV. I've found the MC-11 to be the best!

I'm sure you'll enjoy a full frame camera, I sure do!

bwa

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Mar 9, 2019 18:44:38   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
Chris T wrote:
Leo - ALL Sony cameras employ some form of IBIS . But, second generation a7 series (plus the a9) and the a6500 (and a99 II) all utilize 5-axis stabilization. I think this is what you meant. First generation a7 series do not have that, though - you're right, there. But all 2nd and 3rd generation FF a-series sport it.


All Sony cameras do not employ IBIS (In Body Image Stabilization) . Of the Sony mirrorless cameras, the earlier NEX series, the first generation of A7x, A6000, a6300 and the new A6400 do not have any form of IBIS. IBIS is only on the A6500, A9 and the (ii) and (iii) generation A7x. Most, but not all, of the Sony E lenses have two axis in-lens OSS (Optical SteadyShot). OSS is not in many of the Zeiss lenses or other third party lenses and is not in the high end Sony GM lenses. If the lens has two axis OSS then the 5 axis IBIS will utilize the OSS for those two axis. If it doesn't, the body will provide the full 5 axis stabilization.

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Mar 9, 2019 18:47:43   #
Bike guy Loc: Atlanta
 
repleo wrote:
All Sony cameras do not employ IBIS (In Body Image Stabilization) . Of the Sony mirrorless cameras, the earlier NEX series, the first generation of A7x, A6000, a6300 and the new A6400 do not have any form of IBIS. IBIS is only on the A6500, A9 and the (ii) and (iii) generation A7x. Most, but not all, of the Sony E lenses have two axis in-lens OSS (Optical SteadyShot). OSS is not in many of the Zeiss lenses or other third party lenses and is not in the high end Sony GM lenses. If the lens has two axis OSS then the 5 axis IBIS will utilize the OSS for those two axis. If it doesn't, the body will provide the full 5 axis stabilization.
All Sony cameras do not employ IBIS (In Body Image... (show quote)


Got it
Thanks

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Mar 9, 2019 19:33:36   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
repleo wrote:
All Sony cameras do not employ IBIS (In Body Image Stabilization) . Of the Sony mirrorless cameras, the earlier NEX series, the first generation of A7x, A6000, a6300 and the new A6400 do not have any form of IBIS. IBIS is only on the A6500, A9 and the (ii) and (iii) generation A7x. Most, but not all, of the Sony E lenses have two axis in-lens OSS (Optical SteadyShot). OSS is not in many of the Zeiss lenses or other third party lenses and is not in the high end Sony GM lenses. If the lens has two axis OSS then the 5 axis IBIS will utilize the OSS for those two axis. If it doesn't, the body will provide the full 5 axis stabilization.
All Sony cameras do not employ IBIS (In Body Image... (show quote)


Leo - THIS is a reference to 5-axis IBIS - "IBIS is only on the A6500, A9 and the (ii) and (iii) generation A7x." ... most other current Sony cameras employ the earlier form of IBIS - up/down, left/right. The 5-axis IBIS also offers circular movement stabilization (for want of a better way to describe the extra coverage) - as you point out - this exists on all second and third-generation a7 series FF MILCs - along with the FF a99 II SLT, and the a6500 APS-C compact. To my knowledge - all of the other a6000 series - employ basic IBIS, as do all of the SLT designs - going back to the beginning. I cannot speak for the NEX designs, as I never had one, and since the a5100/a6000 series - replaced them - I always thought it was a safe assumption to indicate all others have basic IBIS - referring to the current line-up. Interesting to me, though - is your reference to how the lenses handle IBIS, when used in conjunction. So, let me ask you this, then. I have three SLTs - all with dual-axis IBIS (a77 II, a77, a58) ... I also have the Sigma EX 105 OS HSM Macro - which, of course - comes with built-in stabilization. The leaflet which came with it - indicates the ILIS should be switched OFF, when used with DSLRs w/ built-in IBIS - Sony, and Pentax.

So, here's the dilemma - should I follow instructions and turn off the ILIS in the Sigma, or ignore it - and go for the combined stabilization, this combination will give me - theoretically? ... Your suggestion, Leo?

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Mar 10, 2019 01:42:14   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
Chris T wrote:
Leo - THIS is a reference to 5-axis IBIS - "IBIS is only on the A6500, A9 and the (ii) and (iii) generation A7x." ... most other current Sony cameras employ the earlier form of IBIS - up/down, left/right. The 5-axis IBIS also offers circular movement stabilization (for want of a better way to describe the extra coverage) - as you point out - this exists on all second and third-generation a7 series FF MILCs - along with the FF a99 II SLT, and the a6500 APS-C compact. To my knowledge - all of the other a6000 series - employ basic IBIS, as do all of the SLT designs - going back to the beginning. I cannot speak for the NEX designs, as I never had one, and since the a5100/a6000 series - replaced them - I always thought it was a safe assumption to indicate all others have basic IBIS - referring to the current line-up. Interesting to me, though - is your reference to how the lenses handle IBIS, when used in conjunction. So, let me ask you this, then. I have three SLTs - all with dual-axis IBIS (a77 II, a77, a58) ... I also have the Sigma EX 105 OS HSM Macro - which, of course - comes with built-in stabilization. The leaflet which came with it - indicates the ILIS should be switched OFF, when used with DSLRs w/ built-in IBIS - Sony, and Pentax.

So, here's the dilemma - should I follow instructions and turn off the ILIS in the Sigma, or ignore it - and go for the combined stabilization, this combination will give me - theoretically? ... Your suggestion, Leo?
Leo - THIS is a reference to 5-axis IBIS - "I... (show quote)


I would follow the lens manufacturers recommendations. As far as I know, none of the Sony Alpha (A-mount) lenses have in-lens stabilization so the A99's in-body 5 axis stabilization is probably not designed to interact with any other manufacturer's in-lens stabilization. The spec sheet for the A99 says the 5 axis IBIS works with 'compatable Sony lenses'. If you are using non-Sony lenses, you may have to go into the menus and tell the camera what focal length you are using.

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Mar 10, 2019 07:58:27   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
Bike guy wrote:
I currently own, and really like, my Sony a6000 and my Sony Nex7. I am thinking of moving to one of the full frame versions, either the a7 or a7s (36k megapixel).
I will keep the other cameras, at least for now.
I do have one FE lens, 28-70 and a couple of Canon F lenses that I use with a Fotodiox pro converter.
I focus on landscape photography.
Any hogs out there with experience with either the a7 or a7r? thanks


I have a lot Sony mirrorless cameras. The a7s II is much better then the original a7s. I love the a6300 the only issue is it doesnt have stylization so I use a lens that has it. The a7 and a7r I think have been surpassed by newer models. the 28-70 is basically like kit lens but just Ok.

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Mar 10, 2019 13:18:05   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
repleo wrote:
I would follow the lens manufacturers recommendations. As far as I know, none of the Sony Alpha (A-mount) lenses have in-lens stabilization so the A99's in-body 5 axis stabilization is probably not designed to interact with any other manufacturer's in-lens stabilization. The spec sheet for the A99 says the 5 axis IBIS works with 'compatable Sony lenses'. If you are using non-Sony lenses, you may have to go into the menus and tell the camera what focal length you are using.


Ah, Phil … sorry - missed that before - so Leo is your last name, then …

A couple of things you seem to be a little confused, about. First - the original a99 only has the standard two-way IBIS used in all of my APS-C SLTs. The 5-way IBIS, used in the a99 II - is the kind with circular motion stabilization (for want of a better way to describe it) and the a99 II is the ONLY SLT, at present - which employs it. This camera uses the same body as my a77 and a77 II - but has a 42MP FF sensor, and costs $3200. I don't have that model. But my Sigma EX 105 OS HSM Macro is a DG lens - which means it's designed to be used on FF bodies, but can also be used on APS-C bodies, which all of mine, are. And, yes - you are right - all Sony lenses, and all Zeiss lenses, made for Sony cameras, lack stabilization as they are designed to be used on a-mount cameras, which all have built-in stabilization. So, then - your recommendation is to go with the 3rd-party manufacturer's recommendation, whether Tamron or Sigma.

Just saw that on the reread. Phil … Canon employs a routine whereby it instantly recognizes Canon lenses and then sets up parameters, accordingly. If you use 3rd Party Lenses, though - you do need to indicate the focal range, and the fastest shutter opening, before you can adjust parameters. But, in most cases - if the range, or the fastest f-stop, is too far different from standard EOS lenses, that will NOT be possible, anyway. Canon is the only manufacturer (that I know of) to employ this routine, however. Sony, Nikon and Pentax - do not require one to do this, although Pentax does have a similar scheme, which DOES automatically register when a Pentax lens is employed. However, the Pentax body does not have the ability to set parameters, as the Canon bodies do. It would be nice if they ALL did this, tho' - huh, Phil?

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Mar 10, 2019 13:22:08   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Tom Daniels wrote:
I have a lot Sony mirrorless cameras. The a7s II is much better then the original a7s. I love the a6300 the only issue is it doesnt have stylization so I use a lens that has it. The a7 and a7r I think have been surpassed by newer models. the 28-70 is basically like kit lens but just Ok.


Tom - did you mean "stabilization" ?

If so - I do believe the a6300 does have 2-way stabilization. But you have to go to the a6500 to acquire 5-axis stabilization. This is the ONLY model of that series, currently - which employs the 5-way kind.

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Mar 10, 2019 20:51:47   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
Chris T wrote:
Leo - THIS is a reference to 5-axis IBIS - "IBIS is only on the A6500, A9 and the (ii) and (iii) generation A7x." ... most other current Sony cameras employ the earlier form of IBIS - up/down, left/right. The 5-axis IBIS also offers circular movement stabilization (for want of a better way to describe the extra coverage) - as you point out - this exists on all second and third-generation a7 series FF MILCs - along with the FF a99 II SLT, and the a6500 APS-C compact. To my knowledge - all of the other a6000 series - employ basic IBIS, as do all of the SLT designs - going back to the beginning. I cannot speak for the NEX designs, as I never had one, and since the a5100/a6000 series - replaced them - I always thought it was a safe assumption to indicate all others have basic IBIS - referring to the current line-up. Interesting to me, though - is your reference to how the lenses handle IBIS, when used in conjunction. So, let me ask you this, then. I have three SLTs - all with dual-axis IBIS (a77 II, a77, a58) ... I also have the Sigma EX 105 OS HSM Macro - which, of course - comes with built-in stabilization. The leaflet which came with it - indicates the ILIS should be switched OFF, when used with DSLRs w/ built-in IBIS - Sony, and Pentax.

So, here's the dilemma - should I follow instructions and turn off the ILIS in the Sigma, or ignore it - and go for the combined stabilization, this combination will give me - theoretically? ... Your suggestion, Leo?
Leo - THIS is a reference to 5-axis IBIS - "I... (show quote)


Not a dilemma if you run some tests of your own and see what is best for you.

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Mar 10, 2019 23:34:47   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
Not a dilemma if you run some tests of your own and see what is best for you.


Did, Richard - when I first got the Sigma, and found the two OSs were fighting with each other, and AF took that much longer to accomplish - so, after reading the circular, I decided to go with Sigma's recommendation

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Mar 11, 2019 00:10:44   #
zdncer Loc: Vancouver, WA
 
take them both you may want the extra distance and you will not want to be changing lenses in all that dust and dirt. Also go to Walmart and buy the giant ziploc bags for blankets and keep your suitcases and especially your camera bag and gear in another one. Only open it to get in it then shut it directly after. Our sony sensors really get dirty easy. And then clean them each night with the blower. have an incredible time. I was in Tanzania last February what a trip.

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