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Mar 7, 2019 17:57:28   #
Bipod
 
The best-performing digital camera now in production isn't a Canon -- it's a KENNON:
the KH-12 "Keyhole" (a.k.a. KH-11B, "Ikon") reconaissance satillite. KENNON was
started by the NRO in the 1970s, and renamed CRYSTAL in 1982. The latest launch was
on January 19 of this year.

How good it it? That's classified. But we know it can tell what hat you are wearing from
150 miles up.

Your Canon uses lens elements that refract light, creating aberrations that then need to be
corrected by still more elements. The KH-12 uses a first-surface mirror at least 2.4 m in
diameter.

But your Canon camera might well contain more lines of firmware than the KH-12.
Consumer products typically are loaded with "bells & whistles".

The less sharply you refract light, the less aberrations you get. But for convenience, camera FFDs
are kept very short -- often shorter than the focal lenght of the lens. So the job of the rear element
is to sharply refract the light onto the sensor.

The distance from the lens to the sensor (FFD) of your Canon is measured in millimeters:
44 mm if its an EOS DSLR and 18 mm if its a EF-M mirrorless. The FFD of the
earliest spy satillites (that used lenses and 70 mm film) was over 20 feet. The effective
focal length of the Hubble Space Telescope (not classified) is 57.6 m (about 159 feet).

All modern spy satillites and big telescopes use first-surface mirrors as the primary optical element.
A reflector is better than a refractor (that is, if you care about state-of-the-art performance.)
For one thing, it has no chromatic aberration.

Spy satillites have cryo-cooled image sensors: no noise is good noise. So do all digital
cameras used with big telescopes.

A close second to the best-performing digital camera title is NIRCam, recently complete
by Lockheed Martin for NASA's James Webb Space Telescope.
https://jwst.stsci.edu/instrumentation/nircam

If you think military procurement is irrational and prone to "boondoggles", take a look
at consumer procurement. The USAF never bought a pet rock...or a subminature
format digital camera.

There's technology, and then there's consumer technology.

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Mar 7, 2019 18:48:05   #
Bill Munny Loc: Aurora, Colorado
 
I worked on one project that had a 17 ft diameter multi-faceted (with an actuator per facet) mirror that fed the super special camera elements. Now not classified, it could read a quarter from orbit. Was used on Desert Storm and see thru the dust clouds too. And I totally agree with you that the military takes way too much flack from uninformed people and especially the super ignorant media. We worked 24/7 to get that thing up in orbit in record time and saved many lives due to its capabilities way beyond what I have mentioned.

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Mar 7, 2019 19:09:27   #
ecobin Loc: Paoli, PA
 
Bill Munny wrote:
I worked on one project that had a 17 ft diameter multi-faceted (with an actuator per facet) mirror that fed the super special camera elements. Now not classified, it could read a quarter from orbit. Was used on Desert Storm and see thru the dust clouds too. And I totally agree with you that the military takes way too much flack from uninformed people and especially the super ignorant media. We worked 24/7 to get that thing up in orbit in record time and saved many lives due to its capabilities way beyond what I have mentioned.
I worked on one project that had a 17 ft diameter ... (show quote)


Anything that's classified renders the rest of us uninformed. The media can only work with what's available.

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Mar 7, 2019 20:36:17   #
Black Elk Peak
 
These are Kodaks compared to some of the hardware we have.

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Mar 7, 2019 20:42:12   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Bipod wrote:
The best-performing digital camera now in production isn't a Canon -- it's a KENNON:
the KH-12 "Keyhole" (a.k.a. KH-11B, "Ikon") reconaissance satillite. KENNON was
started by the NRO in the 1970s, and renamed CRYSTAL in 1982. The latest launch was
on January 19 of this year.

How good it it? That's classified. But we know it can tell what hat you are wearing from
150 miles up.

Your Canon uses lens elements that refract light, creating aberrations that then need to be
corrected by still more elements. The KH-12 uses a first-surface mirror at least 2.4 m in
diameter.

But your Canon camera might well contain more lines of firmware than the KH-12.
Consumer products typically are loaded with "bells & whistles".

The less sharply you refract light, the less aberrations you get. But for convenience, camera FFDs
are kept very short -- often shorter than the focal lenght of the lens. So the job of the rear element
is to sharply refract the light onto the sensor.

The distance from the lens to the sensor (FFD) of your Canon is measured in millimeters:
44 mm if its an EOS DSLR and 18 mm if its a EF-M mirrorless. The FFD of the
earliest spy satillites (that used lenses and 70 mm film) was over 20 feet. The effective
focal length of the Hubble Space Telescope (not classified) is 57.6 m (about 159 feet).

All modern spy satillites and big telescopes use first-surface mirrors as the primary optical element.
A reflector is better than a refractor (that is, if you care about state-of-the-art performance.)
For one thing, it has no chromatic aberration.

Spy satillites have cryo-cooled image sensors: no noise is good noise. So do all digital
cameras used with big telescopes.

A close second to the best-performing digital camera title is NIRCam, recently complete
by Lockheed Martin for NASA's James Webb Space Telescope.
https://jwst.stsci.edu/instrumentation/nircam

If you think military procurement is irrational and prone to "boondoggles", take a look
at consumer procurement. The USAF never bought a pet rock...or a subminature
format digital camera.

There's technology, and then there's consumer technology.
The best-performing digital camera now in producti... (show quote)


I’m not so sure about flat mirrors being used on large telescopes (and the KH-11). Now astronomer affecianados correct me if I’m wrong, but the concept of a reflecting telescope is the same as a large radio dish. A large aperture mirror or reflector, which is a parabola, gathers light or radio waves and reflects them to the focus where the sensor or secondary mirror (or waveguide or antenna) resides. A spherical or flat mirror does not reflect to a single convergent point as a parabola does, hence I have only seen them used on scanning radiometers (where the mirror or sensor is constantly moving), such as those present on polar orbiting satellites such as the NOAA series of weather satellites. I believe the primary mirror of the KH-11 is fixed, but the secondary mirror, located at the focus is movable. From the photos of several very large aperture reflectors, the primary mirror appears to be a parabola, although it is typically constructed of multiple segments (with actuators) due to the difficulty of fabricating and figuring mirrors beyond a certain size. Mirrors have their own distortions including spherical abberation and that due to irregularities in the surface finish related to the wavelength of the light (or radio waves). If you have evidence to the contrary concerning the use of flat mirrors, I’ll be glad to learn more.

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Mar 7, 2019 21:20:46   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Great. Now we need a full sized 18 wheeler to carry a camera in order to shoot a mite on a bird feather 20 miles away.

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Mar 7, 2019 21:43:09   #
User ID
 
Bipod wrote:
The best-performing digital camera now in production isn't a Canon -- it's a KENNON:
the KH-12 "Keyhole" (a.k.a. KH-11B, "Ikon") reconaissance satillite. KENNON was
started by the NRO in the 1970s, and renamed CRYSTAL in 1982. The latest launch was
on January 19 of this year.

How good it it? That's classified. But we know it can tell what hat you are wearing from
150 miles up.

Your Canon uses lens elements that refract light, creating aberrations that then need to be
corrected by still more elements. The KH-12 uses a first-surface mirror at least 2.4 m in
diameter.

But your Canon camera might well contain more lines of firmware than the KH-12.
Consumer products typically are loaded with "bells & whistles".

The less sharply you refract light, the less aberrations you get. But for convenience, camera FFDs
are kept very short -- often shorter than the focal lenght of the lens. So the job of the rear element
is to sharply refract the light onto the sensor.

The distance from the lens to the sensor (FFD) of your Canon is measured in millimeters:
44 mm if its an EOS DSLR and 18 mm if its a EF-M mirrorless. The FFD of the
earliest spy satillites (that used lenses and 70 mm film) was over 20 feet. The effective
focal length of the Hubble Space Telescope (not classified) is 57.6 m (about 159 feet).

All modern spy satillites and big telescopes use first-surface mirrors as the primary optical element.
A reflector is better than a refractor (that is, if you care about state-of-the-art performance.)
For one thing, it has no chromatic aberration.

Spy satillites have cryo-cooled image sensors: no noise is good noise. So do all digital
cameras used with big telescopes.

A close second to the best-performing digital camera title is NIRCam, recently complete
by Lockheed Martin for NASA's James Webb Space Telescope.
https://jwst.stsci.edu/instrumentation/nircam

If you think military procurement is irrational and prone to "boondoggles", take a look
at consumer procurement. The USAF never bought a pet rock...or a subminature
format digital camera.

There's technology, and then there's consumer technology.
The best-performing digital camera now in producti... (show quote)



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Mar 8, 2019 00:09:22   #
SS319
 
Many of the large earth based Telescopes have flat segmented reflecting surfaces, a few have image stabilization that constantly moves the segments individually based on a laser generated "star".

All mirrored surfaces, from a small Schmidt–Cassegrain to the very largest reflectors, including Hubble) have corrective optics to correct for aberrations. (Ask Perkin-Elmer about the aberration they built into Hubble). Aberrations can be caused by misshapen glass (substrate for the mirror surface), by imperfect coating process, and by the grain or crystaline size of the Ag, Pt, or Ir coatings that make up the mirror. The best of the mirrors (Pt/Ir coatings only reflect about 95-97% of the incident light - that other 3-5% must be handled by the cooling system or be corrected by the optics.

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Mar 8, 2019 00:35:09   #
User ID
 
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Bipod wrote:

The best-performing digital camera
now in production isn't a Canon --
it's a KENNON:
.............
There's technology, and then there's
consumer technology.


That camera is NOT in production.

A limited series is not production.
Acoarst, that gives it really great
Collector Value .... if you find any
pieces that didn't burn up !

.

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Mar 8, 2019 06:03:20   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
At my age, I don't spend a lot of time with mirrors. : )

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Mar 8, 2019 06:08:32   #
Vincejr Loc: Northern Kentucky
 
You mean what they are told to tell

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Mar 8, 2019 06:48:56   #
steve49 Loc: massachusetts
 
Too hard to focus. I sold it to the government.

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Mar 8, 2019 07:33:17   #
ecobin Loc: Paoli, PA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
At my age, I don't spend a lot of time with mirrors. : )


🤣👍

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Mar 8, 2019 08:54:20   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
...and those are the ones the Americans know about... there are likely a few others.

Dik

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Mar 8, 2019 09:38:54   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Bipod wrote:
... The KH-12 uses a first-surface mirror at least 2.4 m in diameter...


For a satellite, it's essential to use a mirror. Just think about the weight of a 2.4 meter diameter lens.

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