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Mar 8, 2019 15:12:55   #
PierreD
 
Sidwalkadtronomy wrote:
Most people don't know how to use the 100 features on their microwave. Reheat coffee and make popcorn about it


Sure, but the cost of a microwave, even a relatively complex model, doesn't exactly compare to the price of a DSLR.

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Mar 8, 2019 15:16:28   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
billnikon wrote:
Yet another unscientific, unprofessionally obtained, undersized sample group, no control group established, containing a lot of BLA, BLA, BLA POST. The only reason I am responding is that I find these posts interesting only it's is amateurish attempt to sound logical.


Jeez Bill put a sock in it. Nobody is claiming this was a long term study. It's an observation. I won't say that you made an amateurish attempt to look like a blowhard because you are actually quite good at it.

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Mar 8, 2019 15:27:02   #
srt101fan
 
I'm beginning to wonder where y'all hang out. I just don't see that many folks with DSLRs - cell phones yes, fancy cameras no.....!?

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Mar 8, 2019 15:30:10   #
PierreD
 
srt101fan wrote:
I'm beginning to wonder where y'all hang out. I just don't see that many folks with DSLRs - cell phones yes, fancy cameras no.....!?


Yeah, but then again.... how much of your time do you spend visiting Costa Rica... ?

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Mar 8, 2019 15:33:43   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
newsguygeorge wrote:
That's a pretty profound statement about our society. Sure, if it's not affecting or harming others is one way to circumscribe it. And if it is restricted to people who buy cameras they underutilize, that's fine. But that concept goes far beyond photography. Let me pose it another way: What if it is harming others? What if it has implications for all of us? What if the lack of curiosity impedes all types of learning? What if the lack of learning destroys critical thinking skills?


Since none of those "What If's" that you posed apply to this situation, what is your point? Unless of course you are one of those people that believe other people's lives should be dictated to them, by people like yourself no doubt, so that results can be achieved that are what you want.

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Mar 8, 2019 15:46:31   #
n3eg Loc: West coast USA
 
was_a_guru wrote:
I was surprised to hear from a majority of them “It sits in a drawer most of the time.” Spending $$ and carrying around a DSLR that you are not going to use to anywhere it’s full capability is a waste.

And again of course, it has to be a DSLR...

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Mar 8, 2019 15:46:46   #
srt101fan
 
PierreD wrote:
Yeah, but then again.... how much of your time do you spend visiting Costa Rica... ?


You're right! I confess to not having been there....

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Mar 8, 2019 15:53:06   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
larryepage wrote:
The pool of "newbies" is also the best source we have for new photographers. I try to be sensitive for the ones who do (or will) develop interest so that I can stand ready to nurture (or at least encourage) that interest if and when it develops. It won't be all of them or even many of them, but there will be a few. Latest opportunity was the receptionist at one of my dad's doctor's offices yesterday. Just a chance to pass along a word of encouragement. I'll likely never know the results.
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Yes. I think that maybe a lot of these people that buy these cameras are interested in taking good photos and they think buying a better camera will give them good photos. But then they're overwhelmed by the technology and flounder and end up with pretty much the same results as they had before. I have a good friend that when she got her first DSLR shot only auto and takes great photos, but she was taking great photos with her bridge camera on auto before that. She takes great photos because she works at it. She takes a lot of photos and learns from it. The old joke "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?...practice, practice, practice" rings true for any endeavor. It can be photography, painting, music, dance, even rebuilding cars. The only way to get good at it is to work at getting good at it. Even when someone has a natural talent at something, they don't truly get good at it without working at it. And working at it doesn't just mean taking a lot of photos. It means taking a lot of photos and studying those photos to figure out what's working and why and what needs improvement. It means seeking out advice and information but then also practicing those ideas and techniques. Learning the equipment can certainly open up the opportunities to develop new skills, but it won't automatically lead to better results. Practice, practice, practice.

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Mar 8, 2019 15:58:10   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
gvarner wrote:
We are like the birds who build their nest with the glittery stuff. But seriously, I think that the motivation might be an inherent understanding of the capabilities of a DSLR "system" approach to photography, especially when interchangeable lenses are under consideration. It’s like the car with the speedometer that goes to 140. Whooosh.


Oh I don't want the car with a speedometer that goes to 140. I would feel the need to see if I could peg it.

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Mar 8, 2019 15:59:32   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
was_a_guru wrote:
I recently went on a 9 day tour of Costa Rica. There were 42 others on that tour. A fair number of them had DSLRs. The rest had small point and shoots.

Being a photography buff, I engaged some of those with DSLRs askng how they like their (different model) cameras, lenses, etc. and what they liked to do photography wise.

I was surprised to hear from a majority of them (this is a paraphrased summary) “Oh, I don’t do much. It sits in a drawer most of the time. I never bothered to read the manual and I’m not sure what most of the buttons do, and I don’t get very many good pictures”

That just surprised me. Spending $$ and carrying around a DSLR that you are not going to use to anywhere it’s full capability is a waste.

So I just said OK. But I would have loved to have convinced them to want to learn more and use the cameras as they were designed to be used. Didn’t want to cause problems.
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I a retired corporate telecom manager. My observation was that a typical phone system (a "PBX") has about 200 user features, and a typical user knows how to use 3 of them. That's why people always say, "I'll transfer you to her, but here's her direct number if we get disconnected."

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Mar 8, 2019 16:05:38   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
e056441-yahoo.com wrote:
I was taking a picture one day when a person close by said "I bet that camera really takes good pictures". I responded that it was the operator not the camera that took the picture. My response seemed to surprise him.


Exactly. I don't think it's so much ego that causes those people to buy those cameras. They just think that a better camera automatically means better pictures.

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Mar 8, 2019 16:07:43   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
newsguygeorge wrote:
That's a pretty profound statement about our society. Sure, if it's not affecting or harming others is one way to circumscribe it. And if it is restricted to people who buy cameras they underutilize, that's fine. But that concept goes far beyond photography. Let me pose it another way: What if it is harming others? What if it has implications for all of us? What if the lack of curiosity impedes all types of learning? What if the lack of learning destroys critical thinking skills?


Then you could end up as president some day.

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Mar 8, 2019 16:08:12   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
That because you know how to cook and I don't.



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Mar 8, 2019 16:10:28   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
DWU2 wrote:
I a retired corporate telecom manager. My observation was that a typical phone system (a "PBX") has about 200 user features, and a typical user knows how to use 3 of them. That's why people always say, "I'll transfer you to her, but here's her direct number if we get disconnected."


You had people where you worked who actually worried about disconnecting callers? That was in THIS galaxy?

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Mar 8, 2019 16:25:10   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
LFingar wrote:
You had people where you worked who actually worried about disconnecting callers? That was in THIS galaxy?


A big part of the problem was that vendors (are you listening, Avaya?) cheaped out on user training. Instead, they tried to "train the trainer," giving brief instructions to admins who were not familiar with the phone system, and expecting them to train other users. Consider what it would be like to train someone who had never used a DSLR on how use a Canon 5D Mark IV in one hour, then expect them to train others. It failed miserably.

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