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Mar 6, 2019 08:34:52   #
chippy65 Loc: Cambridge
 
They probably do not believe in evolution either,..... does the sun go round the earth also?

Terry Pratchett has a LOT of fun with his " DiskWorld "

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Mar 6, 2019 08:35:49   #
NJFrank Loc: New Jersey
 
Stephan G wrote:
You do know that ships which sailed out never came back! The folks are still waiting for their ships to come back.


Well I have decided never to take another cruise. You just never know. Better to be safe than sorry.

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Mar 6, 2019 08:42:23   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
rhadams824 wrote:
Must be in the AOC school of thought!!!


You’re joking, right!?

Stan

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Mar 6, 2019 09:53:58   #
ricardo7 Loc: Washington, DC - Santiago, Chile
 
"What's scary about this group is that they reject facts."

Wow! Sounds like about half our population.

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Mar 6, 2019 10:26:11   #
Doddy Loc: Barnard Castle-England
 
They had tree 'Flat earthers' on one of our Breakfast programs last month, even when they were shown footage of the round Earth taken from a Rocket launch they dismissed it as 'f**e footage'. No matter what the presenter threw at them they had an answer (no matter how stupid the answer was). As my Mother used to say "There's nowt so strange as Folk".

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Mar 6, 2019 10:38:50   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
aflundi wrote:
Seriously? What group (or individual) doesn't reject facts? That's normal and pretty much universal behavior.

Flat-Earthers are the absolute least of my concerns. Delusional though they may be, they don't hurt anyone, unlike other bigger and more powerful groups that work to control people that don't believe their own delusions and fact rejections.


True.

Everyone has their bias' and blind spots and no matter how much logic is brought to bear, they will persist in their beliefs.

The fact is...our most basic beliefs are axioms that (by definition) aren't provable...if they were, then they wouldn't be axioms.

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Mar 6, 2019 11:45:53   #
fotkaman Loc: Earth
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I watched a documentary on Netflix last night - "Beyond the Curve." It was about the growing popularity of the flat earth movement. It was disappointing. I expected members to offer their "proof." The only thing they did in terms of proof was saying something vague about planes flying in the southern hemisphere and being able to see buildings in the distance. Actually, I'm surprised they used the term "hemisphere."

They did put a lot of emphasis on two scientific experiments, one using a $20,000 gyroscope and the other using lasers over a distance of several miles. These two experiments were going to prove that the earth was flat. The gyro experiment didn't turn out the way they wanted, so they tried it two more times in different ways. Now they are planning to try something else with the gyroscope. It was the same with the laser experiment. When they didn't get the result they wanted, they said they would have to try it a different way. So, if you want your calculator to say that 1 + 1 = 3, modify your calculator.

What's scary about this group is that they reject facts. As more people accept the idea that the earth is flat, there will be more people willing to reject facts and believe conspiracy theories. Supposedly, NASA and all the governments of the world are involved in a conspiracy to maintain the idea of an earth shaped like a ball. This great lie has been maintained for hundreds of years. A reporter asked their "king" why they couldn't just travel to the edge of the world. He said they are getting funding to do just that.

Their king said that doing a search on Google used to bring up 50,000 items. Now, you get 90 million. Stupidity, gullibility, and rejection of facts are dangerous characteristics of a population. For example, we didn't really land on the moon, lizard people are ruling us, the government is holding aliens at Area 51, there is a secret alien base on the dark side of the moon, chemtrails are poisoning us, the shooting at the Sandy Hook school never happened.
I watched a documentary on Netflix last night - &q... (show quote)


Jerry, why would you waste the time and energy on this?!?!

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Mar 6, 2019 12:20:18   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
True.

Everyone has their bias' and blind spots and no matter how much logic is brought to bear, they will persist in their beliefs.

The fact is...our most basic beliefs are axioms that (by definition) aren't provable...if they were, then they wouldn't be axioms.

Here is a revealing quote by Professor Richard Lewontin, a geneticist (and self-proclaimed Marxist). He's a renowned champion of neo-Darwinism, and certainly one of the world’s leaders in evolutionary biology.

It illustrates the implicit philosophical bias against Genesis creation—regardless of whether or not the facts support it.

He says:

‘We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.

It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.’

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Mar 6, 2019 12:40:27   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I watched a documentary on Netflix last night - "Beyond the Curve." It was about the growing popularity of the flat earth movement. It was disappointing. I expected members to offer their "proof." The only thing they did in terms of proof was saying something vague about planes flying in the southern hemisphere and being able to see buildings in the distance. Actually, I'm surprised they used the term "hemisphere."

They did put a lot of emphasis on two scientific experiments, one using a $20,000 gyroscope and the other using lasers over a distance of several miles. These two experiments were going to prove that the earth was flat. The gyro experiment didn't turn out the way they wanted, so they tried it two more times in different ways. Now they are planning to try something else with the gyroscope. It was the same with the laser experiment. When they didn't get the result they wanted, they said they would have to try it a different way. So, if you want your calculator to say that 1 + 1 = 3, modify your calculator.

What's scary about this group is that they reject facts. As more people accept the idea that the earth is flat, there will be more people willing to reject facts and believe conspiracy theories. Supposedly, NASA and all the governments of the world are involved in a conspiracy to maintain the idea of an earth shaped like a ball. This great lie has been maintained for hundreds of years. A reporter asked their "king" why they couldn't just travel to the edge of the world. He said they are getting funding to do just that.

Their king said that doing a search on Google used to bring up 50,000 items. Now, you get 90 million. Stupidity, gullibility, and rejection of facts are dangerous characteristics of a population. For example, we didn't really land on the moon, lizard people are ruling us, the government is holding aliens at Area 51, there is a secret alien base on the dark side of the moon, chemtrails are poisoning us, the shooting at the Sandy Hook school never happened.
I watched a documentary on Netflix last night - &q... (show quote)


Hmmm, was their “king” Al Gore or Bill Nye?

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Mar 6, 2019 13:06:09   #
ricardo7 Loc: Washington, DC - Santiago, Chile
 
rpavich wrote:
True.

Everyone has their bias' and blind spots and no matter how much logic is brought to bear, they will persist in their beliefs.

The fact is...our most basic beliefs are axioms that (by definition) aren't provable...if they were, then they wouldn't be axioms.

Here is a revealing quote by Professor Richard Lewontin, a geneticist (and self-proclaimed Marxist). He's a renowned champion of neo-Darwinism, and certainly one of the world’s leaders in evolutionary biology.

It illustrates the implicit philosophical bias against Genesis creation—regardless of whether or not the facts support it.

He says:

‘We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.

It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.’
True. br br Everyone has their bias' and blind sp... (show quote)


What "facts" support a genesis creation?

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Mar 6, 2019 13:16:32   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
ricardo7 wrote:
What "facts" support a genesis creation?




Yes, please tell us. Inquiring minds want to know!

Stan

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Mar 6, 2019 13:16:53   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
ricardo7 wrote:
What "facts" support a genesis creation?


The same "facts" that support evolution.

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Mar 6, 2019 13:19:44   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
rpavich wrote:
The same "facts" that support evolution.


"facts", must be alternative ones...…

Stan

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Mar 6, 2019 13:21:29   #
rhadams824 Loc: Arkansas
 
StanMac wrote:
You’re joking, right!?
Stan

Somewhat but understanding economic principles is not the strong suit of AOC and her supporters. We have problems but their proposals are a disease that will further worsen our current situation. What they are wanting to do is economic suicide. Expanding the welfare state will further add to our deficit which is already out of control. The current rate of rise in the deficit will soon start to accelerate our inflation rate which is an insidious tax on everyone. More free stuff is what got us in the current mess.
I will try to attach a small book - Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt. Also Google Thomas Sowell for some sound economic writings and videos.

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Mar 6, 2019 13:22:24   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
StanMac wrote:
"facts", must be alternative ones...…

Stan


No.
As I've said about a million times here on the 'hog...everyone has the same exact evidence...what conclusions we draw from that evidence is based on our presuppositions. Our axioms determine our conclusions.

As Dr. Lewontin so eloquently, and t***hfully, pointed out.

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