AndyH wrote:
I do strongly advise reformatting the card in camera when you do so, but other than that aspect, I think most of this is an old wive's tale. I'm sure willing to stand corrected if someone can come up with a reasonable explanation as to why in-camera deletion is more likely to corrupt a card than uploading and deleting.
I do think that generally reformatting the card every time you put a card back in the camera is a bit over-the-top.
The in camera formatting just does exactly what the file system does on your computer. It writes a known file structure onto the card (ie directories where the camera can find them and with the right names). The camera uses these directories in the same way a PC does - that is it writes files to them.
If you delete images in camera this removes the directory entries from the card - same as a computer.
Probably the reason why some people need to reformat the cards in the camera (and I maintain that you don't need to) is because they don't know enough to be able recreate the same same directories as the camera requires. But that begs the question why would you have to reformat the card anyway (in camera or PC) if the direrectories haven't even been changed.
I cut and paste from the cards and then reuse them. No formatting - other than I know to format a new card in the camera to make sure the directory structure is correct. I have been doing it this way for about 5 years and not a single issue.
I am starting to think that reformatting is either a myth or something that started back 20 years ago when there maybe were some issues.
rfoelber wrote:
I have for the first time heard that one should not delete images from the card while it is in the camera. Because it corrupts the card? I have been doing this daily on long trips to weed out bad shots and to avoid being overwhelmed at the end of the trip. Also, when you use Lightroom, you are supposed to download images via Lightroom and Lightroom is not an easy way to deal with a huge number of new images. Anyway, I will download and then reformat the card in the camera, as suggested, if that is truly the right way to go.
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Sorry but that’s baloney. It won’t affect the card, anymore than putting on you computer would. I’ve been doing it for years, with no I’ll effects, using the same cards for. Years. And I always use the camera to reformat the cards.
rfoelber wrote:
I have for the first time heard that one should not delete images from the card while it is in the camera. Because it corrupts the card? I have been doing this daily on long trips to weed out bad shots and to avoid being overwhelmed at the end of the trip. Also, when you use Lightroom, you are supposed to download images via Lightroom and Lightroom is not an easy way to deal with a huge number of new images. Anyway, I will download and then reformat the card in the camera, as suggested, if that is truly the right way to go.
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I have deleted thousands of images from card while in camera and never had a problem just as most here have indicated. Where did you hear this? from a reliable source?
AndyH wrote:
I must have deleted thousands of images directly in camera while testing and chimping over the years, involving dozens of cards from 1Gig to 256 "super speed" cards. I've done it on 5 MP point and shoots and on 24 MP DSLRs. I have never, ever had a card corruption problem on any of those cards.
I do strongly advise reformatting the card in camera when you do so, but other than that aspect, I think most of this is an old wive's tale. I'm sure willing to stand corrected if someone can come up with a reasonable explanation as to why in-camera deletion is more likely to corrupt a card than uploading and deleting.
Andy
PS: If it turns out there is really a good reason for doing this, you still don't have to pass everything through LightRoom, including images you're going to delete anyway. I often upload from a card reader to a "Temp Upload" folder on my desktop and then delete all the test shots and junk before importing and copying via LightRoom.
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I also have been deleting images from the camera with no issue what so ever. In fact I have yet to have a card completely fail on me...knock on wood. Thumb drives - that's a different story.
I guess I don't understand why there is an issue importing a large number of photos into LR, just as why there is a problem deleting a large number of photo's at a time. I have enough cards that I rarely delete in camera, plus I'd rather see the photo on a computer screen instead of the back of the camera first. before doing much post processing, I learned from a pro to go through and cull them, marking them for deleting by rejecting the photo, sort for all rejections, and you can delete 100's at a time. That way, since I frequently will take duplicates, I can get a look on the computer of both pics, and chose which is the better of the two. I tend to follow procedures of the "light room queen" Victoria Bamption, who has written the most incredible LR Manuel, Adobe LR- the missing FAQ. Not a cheap Manuel, but I can actually email her directly with a question, and she will respond, if it has't already been answered in her Manuel.
chrissybabe wrote:
I do think that generally reformatting the card every time you put a card back in the camera is a bit over-the-top.
The in camera formatting just does exactly what the file system does on your computer. It writes a known file structure onto the card (ie directories where the camera can find them and with the right names). The camera uses these directories in the same way a PC does - that is it writes files to them.
If you delete images in camera this removes the directory entries from the card - same as a computer.
Probably the reason why some people need to reformat the cards in the camera (and I maintain that you don't need to) is because they don't know enough to be able recreate the same same directories as the camera requires. But that begs the question why would you have to reformat the card anyway (in camera or PC) if the direrectories haven't even been changed.
I cut and paste from the cards and then reuse them. No formatting - other than I know to format a new card in the camera to make sure the directory structure is correct. I have been doing it this way for about 5 years and not a single issue.
I am starting to think that reformatting is either a myth or something that started back 20 years ago when there maybe were some issues.
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Here's the thing... Formatting the card in the camera A) removes the old directory, leaving all the data on the card in a recoverable state and, B) creates any needed files and folders specific to that particular camera. In some cameras, this increments the folder numbers inside the DCIM folder.
When you delete files one at a time, the data files on the card become fragmented much faster, as they are written over by new data. Should you need to recover them, the ones you need may not be there.
In my former industry, school portraiture, we had a tethered workflow... Our Canons were tethered to a PC so images downloaded to the computer and were linked to a database immediately. The camera cards were just backup. (Canons can write simultaneously to a computer and a card.) Occasionally, the DVD burned at the school would be corrupt, or damaged (paperclips were the usual culprits!), so we would have to fall back on manual paperwork and the CF Cards submitted with the job.
You remember Murphy's Law, right? Well, the worst that can happen did, on occasion. A DVD became corrupt AFTER the CF Card was cycled back into the field, and a photographer formatted it just before the office manager called and said, "Oops! The DVD is bad! I need that card back!"
In several instances, we were able to recover most, if not all, of the images on the CF Card. Recovery software takes a while, but it finds all the images and builds a new directory of files, even copying them to another drive if that's what you want.
DeanS
Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina
I generally reformat in-camera after d/l, but often, for many, many years, have deleted in-camera to weed out. Never had a problem. I have been a digi-shooter since abt 1990.
There are two ways I copy my files off without formatting the card anywhere.
As it happens I generally don't delete files on the camera, although I have been known the odd time to do this. I am appreciative of files being split which would not help a recovery process.
1. I copy the files off using explorer into a labelled directory on the PC before any sort of processing. Once I have the files off an immediate backup is made. Then I will delete the files off the card in one hit. This means card will fill again with photos in contiguous order but a recovery could still be done as long as nothing else has been written to the card.
2. I cut and paste the files off into a labelled directory then make an immediate backup. This leaves the card again in a blank state but a recovery process could be made if necessary.
The card is not used until I have ascertained that I have 2 good copies of the card and that the files are readable. Then one copy of these are processed.
larryepage wrote:
I'd have to see some convincing evidence to show that deleting images in-camera is a bad practice. The file system on the memory card is for all intents and purposes the same as the file system in our computers, and we know that computers can handle deleting files all day long with no problem. That said, it could be that the camera's file system might have potential problems handling fragmented storage on the card...where files might get split into pieces due to the "holes" in data resulting from deleting files. Or it is possible that when those holes are left after deleting the image files, the camera operating system just doesn't go back and use that space again until the card is reformatted.
I've become pretty picky around how I handle and use my memory cards, but this is not something that I've ever considered a no-no. It's not something that I'm aware has ever created a problem for me or anyone else over the past 13 years or so.
Bottom line...I'd be very interested to see some specific, credible information about the what, why, and how of this proposed danger.
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Some time (years) ago I saw an entry on the SanDisk website that said that a low-level format is not what you think it is, that it no longer wipes the data off of the card. To do that, you really do need a program like Eraser that does a secure erasure of the card. And you can delete the words "for all intents and purposes" from the posting, the file system is the same. That is why there are quite a few "urban legends" left over from the early days when you could not use File Explorer to handle a card from a camera. It is true that the cameras do create the DCIM folder and any needed to store the photos when they format a card. They also will create them if the card has been formatted without the folders (as in formatting with a PC).
I ALWAYS delete bad or unwanted shots in camera and have never had a problem. My MacBook Pro still has a card slot and I put everything directly from the Card into the Pictures File using Image Capture, which is an Apple Ap that everyone has but may not know what to do with. It lets you decide where to put photos rather than having them automatically load into Photos or LR or some other place. Then when I've pulled images into an editing software (using On1 PhotoRAW 2019 now), I use the Browse Module to further cull good images and delete bad unwanted ones. When I know everything has loaded properly, I put card back in camera and delete all from there. Then Reformat Memory Card and it's ready to go. Have never had a problem or corrupted a card in 12 years I've been doing it this way.
TBPJr wrote:
I always delete images that I know are failures using the camera controls when I have the time and the opportunity, and I have been doing so for almost fourteen years now. As soon as practical, I remove the card from my camera, connect it through a reader (internal or external), download/copy the files to my computer hard drive (using Photoshop Elements), and allow the PSE Organizer downloader to verify the copying to the computer hard drive and delete the files from my card (I do copy the new download folders to two additional hard drives, too). I follow the same procedure when I am traveling, but I use a pair of portable external hard drives instead of my laptop hard drive (and then copy to my primary data drive when I return home). I don't think I have ever formatted my cards in camera, except perhaps when I first purchased the cards; I believe I usually insert them, and use them if they work, and only format if they do not. It may only be luck, but I have never lost a picture or had a card failure. I shoot in RAW + .jpg (large), and I use mainly large cards (32- and 64-Gb SD and CF), saving to one card, with autoswitching to move to the other when the first is full (only rarely do I fill up a card before I get a chance to download). I do tend to leave the same cards in the camera all the time--so I really only use one SD card (64-Gb) and one CF (32-Gb).
I have some 77,000 image files in my photo directory (probably more like 38,500 pair of RAW and .jpg).
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I haven't formatted a card since my first digital camera, either in camera or in computer. No problems. Usually delete in camera if seen immediately. Use PSE to download. In downloader screen choose "Uncheck all images" then check the ones only the ones wanted. No problems with that either.
Finally someone ( burkphoto) posted the correct information in detail...
Formatting only resets the directory, deleting in camera changes the directory sequence.
All data stays there until it is over-written. corruption is a problem with directory access information so formatting though not necessary, is the thing to do.
deleting images in camera is fine but why, when 64GB cards can be purchased for $12...
rfoelber wrote:
I have for the first time heard that one should not delete images from the card while it is in the camera. Because it corrupts the card? I have been doing this daily on long trips to weed out bad shots and to avoid being overwhelmed at the end of the trip. Also, when you use Lightroom, you are supposed to download images via Lightroom and Lightroom is not an easy way to deal with a huge number of new images. Anyway, I will download and then reformat the card in the camera, as suggested, if that is truly the right way to go.
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This is from a video by Ken Wheeler. Although he seems to be pretty knowledgeable he puts stuff out there just to create controversy and for the most part is a flake.
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